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By the way, Lisa, you are doing great. You are making huge progress and I hope you don't think any of us on the thread think differently. We all may have gone a little ape shit on the advise when the grocery shopping thing came up. For me, I could just see the progression. Starts with the court case (which I mistakenly encouraged you to sit in with the interview), then the calls for grocery shopping and all of a sudden, wham, it feels like quicksand up to your waist and getting higher. That just reinforced to me that this will never stop. If I came across too strongly and, as a result, made you feel like you were not being strong enough, I sincerely apologize. You are a shinning star.

You just keep posting. We all admire your courage and will support you all the way.

Love, Cattails
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Here's the thing -- every single time you del bad about interacting with her, or BECAUSE you are interacting with her -- just remind yourself that it's so much better now than when it was down the hall. AND each time will have less and less sting in it, because you are healing over the open wounds she created there. Go, Lisa!
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I agree with you 100%. Stay out of everything. If you recall, I suggested you go to the meeting with the cops, but after giving it more thought and listening to Ladee's thoughts, I changed my mind. I talked to my hubby about it as he is retired for police work and he's the one that pointed out to me that you were not a witness to what was said when she gave your nephew the card and you were not present when your nephew used the card. Really, you have nothing to do with the whole mess.

I'm sorry for the tears at the grocery store. You'll get the shopping done. It's just part of the process. Be kind to yourself and don't feel disgusted with yourself for the behavior of two stupid people and the problems they create for themselves. It will always be something and your true responsibility is to yourself and your family.

Big hugs to you, Lisa. Love, Cattails
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Sorry you feel bad, cause u r wonderful! Progress comes in fits n spurts, over many steps-few forward n one back, then3 or 4 or 5 forward n 1 or 2 back. Just keep putting 1 foot in front of the other, as u have been. All the emotions are normal-still hard, but normal. You ARE getting there--look how far u have come! And so fast too! Please don't beat urself up-YOU ROCK! Sometimes we need some anger to keep the boundary in place. If ur mom could show love, she would; you are very lovable. It is her-it is not you. We all love you and are standing in as moms and sisters for you: we've got your back. U have to b exhausted, VaCa will def help. I love the irony: I'm gonna laugh cause u were at the grocery NOT getting mom' groceries, I'm telling' u, YOU ROCK. u can do this- YOU ARE DOING IT! and we're all here to help you. Buckets of love and hugs from all of ur kick ass buddies. Hold your head up high!
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Cat, I know I've gotten some advice that recommends that I do it. But you know something? Saturday and Sunday were amazing for our family. No contact with her did that. Dosen't that prove I'm on the right track? I just came from the grocery, shopping for our trip and just had to leave before I was finished. For crying out loud! I started tearing up. It just took that one freaking phone call with her nastiness. So here's my decision. I will not go to that meeting with her and those detectives. I just can't handle it. I truly feel like I'm making progress with moving forward. The grocery trip just proved to me this isn't going to be as easy as I was hoping. And actually I'm pretty discusted with my self. I know the nephew needs to be held accountable. And I hope he is. They are just going to have to do it without me.
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Boy what an eventful weekend. The Church pinic sounds like so much fun. Sorry girls I only get this thread on my work computer, so on Monday morning I need to catch up. I believe Lisa, that support of the ladies here only have you best interest at heart and I myself have wanted to cry for you and some of the comments have made me laugh so hard I had tear coming. Regardless of what religion you pratice or if you do not practice at all, God only says to pray to him, but he does not alway say yes. Lisa I will say you are doing you best with what you have been dealt. You have the right to be happy and the drama will continue until MOM decides you will not come when called. I am so happy that so many ladies are here to offer advise and solutions that you can pick and choise which ones to think about. I'm glad to be a part of this thread.. God Bless
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Lisa, U have the power now, own it! Try to view mom's behavior's as some combo between 2 year old and immature teenager temper tantrum. Two factors at play in all her behaviors: 1-abuser, 2-addict. Both sicknesses rely heavily on a well developed, highly skilled ability to deceive and manipulate. The core issue in abuse is, wait for it: POWER AND CONTROL. Mom lost-she will do everything she can come up w/ to regain her power and control over u. I repeat: YOU WON. put your winnings in your pocket and step away! Mom will throw out every way she can come up w to snare you back. We've seen/heard about the hate look and the you'll pay for this laugh before. I think that pitiful strategy was employed with the "you'll have to get a court order/judge to get me out of your house" SNICKER, SNICKER, SNORT, SNORT?? if ur nephew were still available as a target, she'd be going for him. The new housing is full of pro's who have the power to send her to a psych unit or jail if she shows out there. So, who is next in line? Yep, our Lisa. Don't engage with her. You are busy getting ur life back. Choose that, NOT: I want others to realize I am a good daughter or I have to do what I can, she's my mom. Getting groceries is just the ploy she thought would pull at ur heartstrings. Afterall, u took her food, back when she did the greenbean toss; don't go there again! Don't worry 'bout what those social workers think, let them enjoy their own learning curve w mom. New mantra, this time a question: will this re-engage me OR help me get my life back? Which do I want? Lisa, you r smarter than mom, she is just very persistent. Eventually, if u don't reinforce her behaviors, she will tire of getting nowhere w u, n she will find another target. Mom is not good for u. God sent you another family, keep running to them ( and us). We all love u and know you can get all the way home. Finish ur laundry, get that bathing suit packed! One more thing, when I kept getting sucked in, I put a little sign on my phone: "NO". My wonderful husband would have advised "HELL NO" had I known him then! Engaging or getting my life back?!! Going to the lake... Woohoo! Luv u, kim
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Good for you Lisa!!!!! At this moment, what are your thoughts on getting involved with the police interview? Sending you tons of love, Cattails
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Man, I so know this behavior and that laugh. The thing is, she is living to make you miserable. AND she can "turn you in" for not taking her shopping and it won't make a difference, won't mean a thing. Repeat the "Not my problem" mantra. Just say no to everything. In a few months, the calls will come less often. She will learn she doesn't get fed from this particular cycle, and your tan will be gorgeous.
HOW IS THE REDECORATING OF THE BEDROOM COMING? Reclaiming that space as your own will feel so so good. We want details.
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Stay strong Lisa she has to get the message sooner or later-my mon use to call my sister when she needed grocries and it was usually the day after she had driven to get her hair done where they were food stores that she passed by when she was at the hair salon.
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Beth just answered the phone. Brought it to me. Well, are you coming today or not? No I'm not mom. Call Jane about Wednesday. Go to the small store they provide in basement. She laughed? Then hung up. I get the laugh. It's a your gonna regret this laugh. Ummmm, no I'm not.:))))))))
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Sounds like a good plan Lisa, but let us know when she calls again, because she will..... she doesn't care how it works, and I do get it that you are trying to not come off as the bad daughter here... just one question, a hundred years from now will it matter what anyone involved in this situation thinks... ??? Jane has already explained things to her.... I really do understand your intentions here, I really do, but at some point, when the time is right for you.... you will have to let go of the end result of this with your mom.... it takes time to get your mind wrapped around the fact that nothing you do will ever be 'enough', but am supporting you no matter what.... so let us know if Jane gets the vapors when you tell her she needs to spend more time with your mom..... have a good one.... and we'll be waiting for the next installment or episode of " What NOW??"... It takes time to untangle yourself from her and her 'stuff', I really do understand.... hugs to you today...
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JEEZ...I need to go to sleep and NOT type when I'm this tired. SORRY...Here's what I MEANT to type.

Reminds me of my dad running out of milk when he was in assisted living 25 miles from our hometown. Instead of asking the gal on duty if she could bring him some MILK for bedtime, he called my sister, 25 miles away and asked if she could bring the MILK! It's not just about the items needed, it's more about THEM trying to continue the illusion that THEY are able to control US. You can tell the administrator THAT....and that you aren't going to play ball.
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This new scenario is all too familiar to me...I'm blown away by the comments already made --they are ones that we have come to employ. If she were living in your house and you didn't get food to her, THEN you'd be in trouble. But she's not in your house anymore. She is in a facility that has nothing to do with you....they provide 3 meals a day. You do NOT have to do ANYTHING....and if you don't it will not reflect back on you. The fact that you would react with that response shows that she does still have some of her claws in you and does still know how to reach into your netherregions.

My dad has my sisters on the string for bringing him items each week...for awhile we had a social worker do his shopping, but then he started having them get several bottles of wine etc, so sisters started shopping again. He'll call and say he's out of something, when he really isn't...I think he just wants to see if he can get anyone to care, because if they come a runnin', he feels important---it gives him stimulation. Sisters have finally realized all this and have put the shopping back on the social worker. If he complains to us that he's out of something, we tell him he'd better tell the social worker. If it is for something that he really does need, my sis will drive to the nursing home and drop it off at the front desk.

As for MOM having a need for drama.....I reprise my role as the pointer outer of ADHD characteristics.....Lack of stimulation brings conflicts such as these to provide a way for her to get her kick. Lisa....I hope you won't be offended when I suggest that if this were my Dad, I too would call an administrator at the facility, but instead of saying that mom/dad is having trouble acclimating, maybe consider saying exactly what is happening --that she is trying to create drama by pulling the daughter back into the setting and that she simple refuses to take that spot back. If you say she's having trouble adjusting, that is candy coating and will only serve to cause more problems. The reality is that my dad and your mom are paying these staffs to take care of them. The notion that YOU should be called when $$ is going to their staff is just crazy. Reminds me of my dad running out of milk when he was in assisted living 25 miles from our hometown. Instead of asking the gal on duty if she could bring him some mild for bed, he called my sister, 25 miles away and asked if she could bring the mild! It's not just about the items needed, it's more about him trying to continue the illusion that they are able to control you. Youn can tell the administrator THAT....Tread carefully. We're here for you.. .
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I did girls. I told her no. The dark hole only made it to my waist. Good thing since I plan on getting my tan on this next week;)))). I think I will contact the social worker Jane and tell her mom is having a difficult time adjusting how things work there and it would be just great if she could meet with her and help her understand the process. That given our relationship, I'm sure you can understand that she would greatly benefit from her guidance.
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I guess, Ladee, Jeanne and I were all typing a response at the same time. Lisa, you have 3 very same responses. Stop. Love Ya, Cattails
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Lisa: You mom needs to get in the swing of things. She won't do that unless she has to. Also, you need to come to a clear decision of just how much contact you want to have with your mom.

If it were me, I'd call the social worker at your mom's place tomorrow morning and tell her that you are getting calls from your mom to take her shopping. Explain that, although it may seen harsh to her (social worker), you do not plan to have contact with your mom in the future (if that's the case) and her care is centered around what their facility has to do to get her on track with their schedule of shopping, etc. In addition, tell your mom that if she is having a problem or needs something, she needs to contact the social worker at the facility.

This is going to go on for a while and I totally agree with Rebecca that your mom needs the drama. Let her create the drama with the facility and not with you. Stay out of it and let her make her own way.

Understand that your mom will do her best to get even with you. That's who she is and that's why she's not living with your anymore. So stand your ground and stand by for the blast back. It will come and you will have to deal with it. After this happens a couple of times, your mom may get it through her thick skull that you are really seriously done with her.

Just my thoughts. Feel free to modify where necessary. Love Ya, Cattails.

You just have to say NO.
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Lisa, take a deep breath, please. As you slowly exhale, say the mantra du jour: it's not my problem ... it's not my problem ... it's not my problem ... it's not my problem ...Repeat as needed.

I think you need to go cold turkey, lady. No coaching the social worker. No delivering snacks. No telephone discussions. THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. She has the means to solve this herself. She is not suffering. You are not a cruel daughter. And this time you are not a gullible blackmail victim. THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

Mother will get on the bus Wednesday or she won't. The social worker will remind her or she won't. She will walk to Kroger or she won't. She will do without extra between-meal food for a few days or she'll figure out how to get some. IT IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

You have worked so hard to make this not be your problem. Don't backslide now!

I agree with Rebecca that Mother sounds like she needs drama. Let her find it elsewhere. You just gave up your Equity card and your thespian career is over.
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Stay strong and let your NO mean NO, this is what I said about there will always be one more thing.... one suggestion is to let those in charge at her new residence to contact you if it is an emergency. other than that, be selective about answering the phone... you are not going to get in trouble for not taking her to get something to eat... you are still having knee jerk reactions to her threats and manipulatins... that will change over time... it really hasn't been that long Lisa, so be kind and gentle with yourself... you have that " knot in the stomach" reaction, she trained you well, you are still in the process of "unlearning", that is the hard part... but always look at what you have accomplished so far..... this will take time and you may always have a twinge when she pulls one of her stunts... but you have made some awesome progress..... don't miminize what you've already done....
I wonder if the case worker could figure this out on her own... just a suggestion... after your mom complains you didn't run to get her food, surely the caseworker will see it for what it is.... manipulation... if not,, it's still not your problem..... your mom really will figure out how to eat, she probably was munching on chips while talking to you.... hussy.... and just because she said she wasn't going to go by groceries by herself, doesn't make it your job... let them send someone with her, or delegate someone to pick them up for her... You will not get in trouble...... do not let your fear of the system rule you.... others will have suggestions also... but stay strong... and again, let your NO mean No... hugs across the miles to you.....
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Your mom sounds like she needs some drama, Lisa. If she has three meals cooked for her, then she should learn from this lesson and go to the grocery store. If you want to really stop worrying, then drop a few snacks in a bag and leave it with the social worker. That does not mean your mom has to know they are from you unless you want her to. I like the idea of putting the responsibility on the social worker about grocery day. Your mom is okay, though, and I hope you won't let this cause you too much worry. Love you! Rebecca
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Well, I need to vent. These last 24 hours has been the absolute best we have had in so very long. Then I get home and the phone is ringing. Mom wants me to come get her card and go to the grocery for her. No mom, I will not do that. Did you not go to the grocery on the bus? I TOLD YOU IM NOT DOING THE GROCERY BY MYSELF. good grief, here we go. Then? Well fine, I'll walk to kroger. Or I'll just sit here without food. That'll look good when cas detectives come here. This will probably bring me grief. I didn't go. Doug and I sitting here saying o crap, o crap, o crap. What the hell do we do? We are right back where she threatened to stop taking her Meds if I didn't hand over her pain pills. here's the facts. She has at least $150.00 cash. They cook three meals a day in their cafeteria. She's not starving. Grocery day is Wednesday. We are thinking maybe call the social worker tomorrow and ask her to intervene and see that she gets on that bus wednesday to grocery shop.? If she declines to speak to her? Suggestions anyone. Am I missing anything?
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I have tried the same thing with my mother Kimbee. Some days are good and some are not. I take them as they come. I have just distanced myself from my siblings which is not hard because they all live a fair distance away.
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Hope u all had as great a day as we did. Planting a feature garden in our front yard so it looks good from my mom's window, as well as street n side views. She sat by window and marveled at all we did today (multiple week project). Had nice walk through our neighborhood w banjo concert from a neighbor-just for my mom. So fun. Btw, I too was mistreated as a child and to my amazement I was able to develop a happy, healthy life and now care for my mom with joy in my heart and home. It has taken lots of effort n time, but we CAN be fully restored from abuse n distrust to peaceful happiness- If ur struggling, Keep working at it, it's sooo worth it! That' my love, love love for tonight! Hugs, Kim
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Hi Judy!!! So glad your here. I hope your healing quickly. The picnic was fun. We always enjoy spending time with my ex in laws. Heck I don't even remember if I told you guys Beth came from my first marriage. It didn't work out. I married my best friend. He's great guy and a great father. And they all adore Doug and Jennifer. They always included Jen in their fun plans. Doug and my ex turned out to be such good friends I offered to move out if they wanted to get a place together. Lol!!! When my ex father in law was bed ridden before he died Doug would go have lunch with him a couple days a week. Beth and her dad kept everyone in the loop how things have changed here. My ex mil has been secretary of the church for 47 years and still going strong. So Beth informed me I was not to leave before I saw her. Hmmmmm. Uh oh....I went inside and rounded the corner and she had the biggest smile on her face. The aunts and uncles were in there. Her words to me were. Start healing and come back to us. Then Doug and Jen got their hugs from everyone. It was just so nice. As for father Rick? Couldn't get near him. There were at least 30 kids lined up to dunk their priest. I'm just feeling so good this evening. Tomorrow Jen and Chris have 5 houses, along with their realator to go see and invited us along. This is going to be so much fun. Makes my heart just swell that they asked us. I hope everyone has a nice evening. Love and hugs
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Boy, a lot happens overnight! Anyway, I'm glad you all didn't start all preachy with me! With my current issues with God, I would have ran away from this website in a blink of an eye.

@sitruex, please understand that when you come in too strong about God or Religion, it can turn off lots of people immediately. I used to be very strong in my religion. I've learned subtlety when it comes to God. You cannot approach a person, and whack them wholeheartedly about God and how loving He is and How He can Help you in your Life and expect people to open their arms wholeheartedly back. Yes, God has helped you. But I bet, you had to reach rock-bottom to turn to Him. But not all people react that way. Some, like me and Lisa and others, do not turn to God. I KNOW what God would have liked me to do. But like Lisa said, when you hit rock-bottom, you need the NOW advice by other people who have gone through and are currently going through the same thing. If you really read all the posts, you will see that some commentors mentioned God. But they don't hit you on the head with it. And I really, really appreciate it. I'm Not Agnostic. I just have my own problems with God and this is between me and Him. If I wanted advice on my relationship with Him, I will go back to my religion...which I really rather not.

When I read the beginning of your comments, I got so totally turned off, I skipped it. If you truly want to help someone with their relationship with God, please, please read their comments first. Then approach it SOFTLY and see how they respond. If they don't reciprocate about God, then drop it. They're not yet ready to accept God in their life Prominently like you have. Give us space to waffle in life and find our own way out of the rock-bottomw dark hole. May I say one more thing, if you do open your thread, I will read it but can you please tone down the religion, part? Remember, approach Softly! I'm sorry about your mom. You take care!

Lisa, I understand how you feel. You go enjoy your family.
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Welcome back Judy. Lisa, at least say grace before eating. Love Ya both, Cattails.
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Been away a few days. Just trying to catch up on the comments - there are some doozies this time - sheesh. Eldest - you and I think alike. Lisa, I hope you dunk Father Rick a few times. You'd better bless yourself before each try though :) Something about dunking a priest makes me nervous!
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Everyone enjoy your Saturday. Doug and I with our girls and Chris are heading out to the church picnic. Sure hope father Rick gets in the dunking booth again this year. I'll make sure he knows it's nothing personal, but I have a years worth of steam to let off. Snicker snicker snort snort.
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I'm sorry...I went back to that note and realized what causes the kneejerk fury in my soul....people who profess to speak FOR God. People who tell others what God knows, believes, wants, etc etc etc. When anyone uses that kind of language, I can't help but look for agendas....deeply controlling and scary. If YOU believe something, OWN IT. But trying to get people to do something saying that God knows, believes, wants something is a purely manipulative maneuver. With our combined history of living with narcissists and other kinds of manipulative personalities, it's not a characteristic that will get very far on this thread. I would have been pissed off just like her mom if someone had come giving me speeches about what God wants me to do . Okay I'm done. Going outside. You ladies have a nice Saturday afternoon.
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sorry to have repeated the request for a separate thread in my note. It took me so long to write that by the time I posted, Jeanne had posted *her* message and asked for a separate post. I'm gonna have to become quicker!

by the way, we are not under attack....so don't worry. I envision us shoulder to shoulder and when things get bumpy....it's the other person that best be watchin' out. Our resume of 608 posts speaks volumes of what the K A Girls are made of ---we are standing strong.
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