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And blaming the NRA & denying there is a health health crisis in this country is nothing but ignorance on the part of socialist snowflakes.

The politic correctness is really getting out of hand. People need to grow a thicker skin. Someone in my local Facebook crime watch group just asked if there was an update on a dead body found over the weekend. The day before, someone else had seen the sheriff & coroner out in the county area and asked if anyone knew what happened. Someone said a dead body was found. No one knew anything else. Next day, someone made a new post asking “is there an update on the dead body that was found” and got kicked in to the middle of next week for using the term “dead body”. You can’t make this stuff up. Bunch of people were offended and saddened by the poor choice of words because it is so disrespectful and heartless to use the term “dead body” and there lectures on how everyone should be compassionate and how this is someone’s loved one and it was just ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Not a thing was said about the person other than they are dead. The dead body was that of a female overdose victim.
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So much of our medical service and even non profits are actually for profit. That's why non profit leaders often make so much money; hospitals don't keep people long or have enough CNAs or Nurses; and the same is true of Rehabs and nursing homes. And yet, us baby boomers are getting older looking at retirement and our care as the older generation.

While this is changing slowly, churches have not been known for having helpful outlooks and ministries for those with a mental illness plus their families and that is harder to get going than help for the physically disabled. It doesn't stop there, even on a denominational level clergy who have become disabled because of mental or physical health problems are treated as second class burdens who I have heard even one bishop say in his opinion they were all fakes and just lazy. Well, he was a classic narcissist.

Basically we have a culture of narcissism in which we lack the ability to have civil discourse along with a lack of being able to think critically instead of being brainwashed.

Ok, that's enough of that for the moment.
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I find it quite adorable that the people who like to categorize others as snowflakes are simply just demonstrating how much of a snowflake they themselves are. Much of the loss of civility that we have in our country is that the extremist shock jock language of the right has become the mainstream language of the right. The extremist have become the right wing's center.

As for the bogus NRA talking point that gun violence in the US is due solely to mental illness, mental illness is no more prevalent in the US than anywhere else. Shootings, mass or otherwise, are far more prevalent in the US than in most places. Even if all mental illness was eliminated, there would still be mass shootings in the US. Since it's a fallacy that all mass shooters are mentally ill. That claim is just a cop out.
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NoTryDoYoda, to go alone with what you are saying, I don't think there are any private non-profit hospitals in the US. Hospitals are big profit centers. They make a lot of money. The reason some private hospitals can claim to be "non-profit" is that they are associated with an organization like a church or university. While that organization overall maybe a non-profit, the hospital is very profitable. It's just that their profits are handed over to the rest of the organization. IMO, it's a scam.

Here's an article on how profitable "non-profit" hospitals are.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-02/study-nonprofit-hospitals-generate-the-most-profit
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I completely agree that the national debt is a huge problem. That's why I find it so ironic that the party who made it out to be such big problem when they weren't in power, are now making it out to be no problem at all now that they are in power. Due to their economic policies, the deficit is now 1.2 trillion dollars a year. I remember when that was the entire national debt. The party of "fiscal responsibility" has pushed the deficit to historic levels. It's one thing to do it while the economy is in shambles to try to save it, it's another to do it while the economy is supposedly better than it's ever been. It's during the good times that we should be paying down the national debt, not adding to it at historic levels.
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Matthew 7:5

First, remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye.
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Yes, Trump has managed to reduce the annual deficit by half despite dealing with professional politicians. The historic level of 2.5t was reached during the Obama administration.
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The language of the left is sexist, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc. What "extremist shock jock language of the right" has become center stage? Fake? Crooked? Lying?

Where and who made or published a statement for the NRA stating all mass shootings are by the mentally ill? Some leftist publication pushing out another falsehood? The NRA issued a statement supporting President Trump's call for increased funding for treatment of mental illness and to develop better screenings for and reporting of mental illness (particularly in school settings) since the medical establishment and FBI profilers have determined mental illness is a major factor in non-political shootings of peer groups and targeting of religious groups in churches and alternative/minority lifestyle groups in clubs.

I suppose you want to decrease funding for mental health care and not try to identify the high school kids that need help before they start killing their classmates? Cause you could never support anything both President Trump and the NRA endorse, right? As an independent libertarian who is tied to neither the right or the left, I just don't see how anyone on either side can object to increasing mental health care funding and developing better screening tools for teens.

The US has a larger population than most places so we have by count more of just about everything; however, the murder _rate_ in the US is very similar to many European countries and far better than most other nations on the American continent. If we excluded just 12 counties where citizens have been disarmed by gun control, the US murder rate from all causes would be nearly the lowest in the industrial world. I do not think it matters to the murdered or their family whether they were killed with a firearm or a knife or a truck or a pressure cooker bomb; they are just as dead.
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You're joking right? Look at the way much of the top republican leadership speaks. I'll make it easy for you. Look at the way Trump speaks. That's exactly the way right wing shock radio has spoken for decades. Have you ever heard any leader of any stature, left or right, speak like that before? Did Clinton speak like that? Did Bush speak like that? Did Reagan speak like that? Would you want your kids to speak like that?

Remember back when Obama dared to be so disrespectful as to wear a tan suit. The right went crazy over that. It seems so quaint now. The same people that felt such umbrage over a tan suit now cheer foul, insulting, mocking, bullying school yard language. They embrace it.

As for your assertion that the US murder rate is the same as European countries. Let's leave the fake news to the politicians.

The murder rate in the US is several times higher than most European countries. In fact, only 2 European countries have a higher murder rate than the US. That's Russia and the Ukraine. The major European countries, our contemporaries, have much lower murder rates. Much lower.

United States Americas Northern America 5.30
France Europe Western Europe 1.30
Germany Europe Western Europe 1.00
United Kingdom Europe Northern Europe 1.20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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The deficit during the Obama era was high because he had to fix the destroyed economy handed to him by the previous Republican administration. You have to run high deficits to fix a broken economy. Is the economy broken right now? According to someone, it's the best economy ever. During good economies the government should be running surpluses to pay down the debt, not historic deficits.

As for your assertion that Trump halved the deficit compared to Obama. The deficit during Obama's last full year was $438 billion. Trump's last full year deficit is $1200 billion. Trump has almost tripled the deficit during his administration.

Once again, let's leave the fake news to the politicians.
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What does this topic have to do with aging care? Politics doesn’t belong on this forum. You’re never going to change anybody’s mind about Trump. People either hate him or love him. People go crazy on Facebook over politics!!! They say I’m going to UNFRIEND you. How childish. Politics and Trump don’t belong in this site. People have been complaining lately that people pick topics that has nothing to do with aging care.
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What do snowflakes have to do with aging care?
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Sorry, my memory was off on the actual numbers, but not the percentage impact.

According to the US Treasury (https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm), the last year of an Obama budget administered by Obama (PY2016) the deficit was $1,422,827,047,452.40 or 1.4b. In PY2017 when Trump began removing hindrances to the business environment, placing spending holds, and renegotiating some major government contacts has a deficit of $671,455,302,116.80 (671b) or 48% of the previous year.

Although they did have an impact on Obama spending, the recession bail out bills were mostly handled in the final Bush budgets. ACA and other new executive created programs like DACA accounted for most of Obama's increases. Increases in welfare spending during the Obama years as the recession deepened and continued under Obama's anti-business and anti-success policy implementations also accounted for a lot of the historic Obama deficits.

Trump's tax cut impacted both PY2018 with a deficit of $1,271,158,167,126.70 or 1.2b and PY2019 with a $1,203,343,570,253.50 deficit or 1.2b and 84% of the final Obama deficit. Although PY2019 shows the start of increased revenues from the tax cut, the major increases in revenue won't start showing until PY2020 and PY2021, assuming historical income tax patterns hold (every tax rate cut increases revenues within 2 years). While tax revenues as a percentage of GDP will be lower, total revenues are forecasted to rise as GDP rises in the improved economy with 50+ year historic lows in unemployment across all subgroups.

Obama's deficits over 8 years averaged $1,193,589,977,128.04 or 1.193t; Trumps in his first 3 years with tax cuts averaged $1,048,652,346,499.00 or 1.048t, 88% of Obama's - and that number will be falling.
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I fully agree with John Kennedy's position government should run a deficit in times of war and recession and a surplus in times of prosperity. I fully agree neither party as a group is acting to reduce deficit spending in any significant manner. A big part of the reason is too much government. Proposals like Andrew Yang's universal basic income to replace welfare programs have little chance of ever being enacted because it would significantly reduce government employment since with no SNAP program there's no need for bureaucrats to administrate SNAP. Government employees now make up more than 40% of the work force with many enjoying separate health and retirement plans (not SS) from "normal" taxpayers.

According to the GAO, approximately 60% of money spent on means tested welfare programs went to beneficiaries in 1998 while that number was down to 25% by 2010 and some estimates suggest it's down to 10% today when all the monies the states spend to administrate federal block grants are included. Although funds spent on welfare have been stable or increased as adjusted for inflation in the last 20 years, the amount beneficiaries received has been falling. Yet when Trump makes policy revisions to streamline procedures or reduce fraud by decreasing the time between disability status reviews or requiring everyone receiving SNAP to have been evaluated by the same SNAP criteria - changes that will neither change the funding or qualification guidelines nor eliminate a single person who meets the program's criteria - the left pushes a false narrative that Trump wants to cut venerable persons from receiving needed benefits. (Other politicians from both parties have made similar common sense proposals to reduce administrative costs, the Trump examples are just more recent.)

Is there anyone who thinks only 10% of the money actually providing a benefit is acceptable? Consider how much more Medicaid could do if we kept the same funding level and pushed that rate back to 50%.
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Well... isn't the entire thread somewhat political?

Elaine, you are so very right. Trump is a very polarizing figure, as Obama was before him although for different reasons. I'm just so very very very tired of so many people's knee jerk reaction to every proposal based _only_ on who proposed it instead of even considering the contents.

So this is my last comment in this thread.
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I agree with Elaine 1962. This thread has little to do with aging care and calling snowflakes doesn’t either.
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Not reading this one again because of the labeling or name calling whichever you choose to call.
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