There is a new nurse at mom's SNF. He seems overly interested in getting morphine on board and Xanax and calls me every time mom is struggling. It's a fairly straightforward matter of draining the fluid off her lung and then she's comfortable and can breath. But each time the fluid builds up, instead of getting it drained he talks about her need for morphine. I thought it was just me that found him overly pressuring about it but when my son met him tonite he said he wanted him off my mom's care. Hes very nice but I feel he's either new or possibly a problem..
I think the nurse wants to see the pain controlled and likely feels the continual draining isn't in your mom's best interest. This is neither right nor wrong - it's an opinion that has more than one side. His intentions are good but you may not agree with the approach. Talk with the doctor about how long to keep up the draining.
Consider your mom's wishes. How long does she want to continue this treatment. That should be the main consideration. Some people want everything done and others want to quit fighting and simply control the pain. I hope that she is still able to have input.
Take care of yourself, too, during this tough time.
Carol
We went through this with my mom about a year ago. After her chest had been tapped several times ( including one situation where, as mom's lung reinflated, a pocket of bacteria " bloomed", sending her into septic shock) we sat down with her pulmonologist, who said to me " stop poking holes in your mother. The next time this happens, call in Hospice, get her on morphine and let her down gently".
That is what I'll do.
Your nurse may be new or overly aggressive but he probably knows that once fluid keeps recurring it tends to come back very frequently like daily. Are they giving her strong enough diuretics. I had what is called a pigtail when I was in heart failure for a few days and they drained a great deal of fluid through that. they were going to put in a pleural but said there was too much risk of infection with a permanent drain so they just removed the pigtail and stepped up the Lasix IV which worked pretty well. The nurse wants to give Mom the morphine because it will ease her feeling of breathlessness so she is more comfortable. of course the Zane is for anxiety and everyone is anxious when they can't breath.
If you feel Mom is close to death my decision would be to encourage the morphine and although it won't hasten death will certainly keep her a lot more comfortable. By the way a Pleurex is not difficult to remove and can be done by a Dr in the SNF. Much easier to take out than put in. if you think Mom may have some time left it might be worth replacing the pleurex so the fluid can be drained daily. it is a very simple painless procedure. they just put a vacuum bottle attached to the tube and the fluid runs into that. A lot depends on the reason for the fluid build up and how close to death the family and Drs feel rather than what Mom hopes will happen. Repeated thoracentesis can be distressing and exhausting. Hope this all works out for you. You need to question Mom's Drs and get their honest opinion on Mom's prognosis.
My mom had a brain bleed near the end of her life. The neurosurgeon at the hospital told us he could fix the problem with surgery. My moms neurologist heard this conversation and pulled me aside and told me he wanted me to think about what he was going to say. He said to me the surgeons could operate but should they? would this operation really better her quality of life? This was a heart wrenching decision to make but the best advice I was ever given. Good luck and God Bless.
If the new nurse is young and enthusiastic that's probably what his problem is - youthful enthusiasm and a gung-ho spirit aren't really what you want in hospice. Maybe suggest he be guided by calmer and more experienced older colleagues? If you think he's jumping the gun, don't hesitate to tell him so frankly but not angrily.
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