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About having Medicaid be the designated beneficiary, the FA that your NAELA atty works with will need to work the speciality insurance underwriter to get the payout to more than likely zero out before you die. So you outlive the SPIA, comprende?
It’s a numbers dance... you have required actuarial tables that must be met in order for SPIA to be done in order for it be to Medicaid compliant. Don’t ask me what they are as it’s all set by your demographics. It’s unique. And you can do more than 1 SPIA.
There’s someone on this site who did one several years ago as his wife was early onset dementia. She just recently passed away. I’ll PM him to see if he can post.
The one I know was may/dec with younger second family & her hubs almost 70 had major auto crash. Brain trauma with months of speciality rehab. He went through his insurance lifetime cap & savings in around a yr. she had to get/ force his kids from M#1 to sell weekend camp that she had usafruct on to have $ for his care as rehab took no Medicare or Medicaid. It was major drama atop his deteriorating health. What I heard was that it was she was beyond stressed & asked about divorcing him & it was the divorce atty that mentioned spia & put her with NAELA atty . They have kids in middle & high school plus she didn’t work (so no income). She ended up taking their college $ to do 2 SPIAs - bigger one paying more income while kids still under 21 or 25? then running dry & the other smaller another decade past the first till it too runs out. She’s more than likely going to outlive both SPIA. It won’t matter if Medicaid is the designated beneficiary as the $$ will be paid out with zero balance annuity before she dies. There’s planning, taxes & contingencies in doing these that have to be looked at by experienced eyes. Not a diy. Again it’s specialty underwriting. Not the guy who has an insurance license and sell homeowners or auto insurance.
Oh they didn’t divorce. She was able to get him onto Medicaid & moved to the only good rehab place that can do LTC brain injury that takes Medicaid. He lived about another yr. was on Medicare & Medicaid; heard everybody was all kum-ba-ya at the end.
As an aside on this, apparently in high cotton divorces, atty gets the monied one to do a big SPIA if alimony not a part of divorce settlements or there’s a hard to budge prenup. Clever! Gawd I just love savvy legal.
So, the thing is, if you want to qualify for Medicaid, you can't leave money to heirs. You are seeking government assistance for long term care payments, and the government needs to stay afloat, financially. Thus, if you want Medicaid to pay for care, you can't give the money that would have paid for that care to someone else.
So, in answer to your last question, Worried, our friend Igloo mentioned that a SPIA that is Medicaid compliant might be a product that you want to look into if you are going to sell your home and move into a more centrally located condo. Igloo also stated, I believe, that this was not a DIY project. I'm hoping that someone here also has experience with this product, but I'm concerned that in your question, you don't mention the type of annuity that was advised. Not all annuities are Medicaid compliant and most are terrible ripoff. A SPIA is a noteable exception.
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Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
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It’s a numbers dance... you have required actuarial tables that must be met in order for SPIA to be done in order for it be to Medicaid compliant. Don’t ask me what they are as it’s all set by your demographics. It’s unique. And you can do more than 1 SPIA.
There’s someone on this site who did one several years ago as his wife was early onset dementia. She just recently passed away. I’ll PM him to see if he can post.
The one I know was may/dec with younger second family & her hubs almost 70 had major auto crash. Brain trauma with months of speciality rehab. He went through his insurance lifetime cap & savings in around a yr. she had to get/ force his kids from M#1 to sell weekend camp that she had usafruct on to have $ for his care as rehab took no Medicare or Medicaid. It was major drama atop his deteriorating health. What I heard was that it was she was beyond stressed & asked about divorcing him & it was the divorce atty that mentioned spia & put her with NAELA atty . They have kids in middle & high school plus she didn’t work (so no income). She ended up taking their college $ to do 2 SPIAs - bigger one paying more income while kids still under 21 or 25? then running dry & the other smaller another decade past the first till it too runs out. She’s more than likely going to outlive both SPIA. It won’t matter if Medicaid is the designated beneficiary as the $$ will be paid out with zero balance annuity before she dies. There’s planning, taxes & contingencies in doing these that have to be looked at by experienced eyes. Not a diy. Again it’s specialty underwriting. Not the guy who has an insurance license and sell homeowners or auto insurance.
Oh they didn’t divorce. She was able to get him onto Medicaid & moved to the only good rehab place that can do LTC brain injury that takes Medicaid. He lived about another yr. was on Medicare & Medicaid; heard everybody was all kum-ba-ya at the end.
As an aside on this, apparently in high cotton divorces, atty gets the monied one to do a big SPIA if alimony not a part of divorce settlements or there’s a hard to budge prenup. Clever! Gawd I just love savvy legal.
https://www.elderlawanswers.com/annuities-and-medicaid-planning-12008
One thing I don't like about it, according to the link above, is that upon my death, the state is my beneficiary.