Can my grandmother's POA (my aunt) keep me from taking grandma out of nursing home for the afternoon?

Frustrated33, its not that Auntie is being mean but it is for safety. I had the same thing with my daddy. NO ONE but me was allowed to take him out of the facility. There was no reason really. The facility my daddy was in had a great patio, tv room, family room, etc. Yes he wanted to leave but he was 6 ft tall 246 lbs and if he were to fall at a restaurant or store I did not want all the legal things to come up. Like I told my extended family - bring scrapbooks or food or just visit with him with your tablet and share time with him. Even I had no reason to take him from the facility. In fact the facility I had him at had doctors and nurses. Hair appointments were scheduled and I could bring his great grands to see him.

Yes the POA can say who can take Gma out of the building . I was asked who could take Mom out and the names were put in a list.

"My aunt has told the nursing home that nobody is allowed to take grandma her mom away from there without her permission."

Have you asked for Aunts permission? We used to take DHs Aunt out for icecream not far from the facility. Someone ur Aunts age tires easily. We had to stop taking her when her legs gave out and she was wheelchair bound. No longer could get her in and out of the car.

Moms NH had a garden with a Gazebo. I took Mom out there on nice days.

Yes. She can. Your Aunt is POA for a 100 year old woman. She is able to make decisions now for what she thinks is safest/best practice. She has her in care where she trusts the care being given.

I love that you are so concerned to do what you can for your grandmother.

Now to the problem. You say your grandmother who is 100 years old is saying "I just need to get away from here for a few hours". You merely tell her that you aren't allowed to take her out and you make instead the best of it where she is. Bring in a picnic and set it up. Read to her or watch TV if she is able. Do a Rick Steves travel film with her and tour Europe. Make a scrapbook of old photos if she can see. Whatever she CAN do you do with her and you should likely let go of taking her out.

The other thing you can try is speaking with Aunt. Hat in hand go to Grandmother's daughter and ask what you can do, and what she thinks best. Your closeness now with your aunt is likely the best gift you can give your grandmother.

I wish luck to all.

Why take Grandma out?

Tastier food can be brought in. Surely there is a view out a different window, different balcony, garden or courtyard? But you said she can't see or hear well...

Have you had full responsibility for someone 100 yrs old? Know how to safely assist her? With mobility, whether with a walker or keep her safe from falling in a wheelchair? Manage toileting?

So I ask again, why take Grandma out? For her? Or for you?

Sounds like a nice idea - to gift her some freedom. A nice wish.
Despite your.good intentions, duty of care must come before your wish.

Older people don't always do well when removed from their normal settings. While I served as my dad's POA (in memory care with vascular dementia), I allowed my cousin (dad's nephew) to take my father out for a lunch trip. Dad had problems picking a venue and became adjutated, then became very argumentative when the restaurant had changed the addons served with his baked potato. My cousin decided to return to his pattern of bringing take out to the home and eating on a porch (in good weather) or in Dad's room at a small table.

I would suggest if you get agreement to take your grandmother out for a trip you start with a brief site seeing drive with maybe a stop at a drive through for some coffee or ice cream. You should also plan for a second person to be with you so one person can concentrate on driving and someone else can concentrate on how grandmother is handling the trip.

Yes, the POA can prevent you from removing your grandmother from the care facility. He/she is responsible for grandmother's care and may not want to "risk" problems. Are there any gardens in the care facility? Sometimes just getting outside for a few minutes is extremely enjoyable - and the support staff is still available if there are any problems.

As POA, I was notified when my LO had visitors, and ultimately given final say about visitors and their visits.

Is it possible for you to plan visits outside on or very near the facility, bringing a picnic lunch, doing something she likes in the visiting room, bringing photos?

In your situation I’d be more concerned about her general condition, hearing, and vision than getting her physically away from residences, where she’s familiar with her surroundings and caregivers.

She’s lucky to have a loving grandchild. What any of the rest of her family does or doesn’t do on her behalf is something apart from what your visits mean to her.

What will you do if grandma refuses to go back into the nursing home at the end of your jaunt?

Are you prepared for when she tries to grab the steering wheel from you? Or tries to jump out of the moving car (I've had both of those things happen to me with elders).