Hospice eval didn’t go well. They denied her. Said she wasn’t “terminal” enough. So now what do I do?! Aunt is in such bad shape. She has 5 more post-hospital nurse visits left then NOTHING. Since the rapid decline in bp & pulse it’s not reversed as of last night & she’s in Afib rn with rapid increase in BP. It was determined her tests showed she had a heart attack while in the hospital & this was the same thing that happened then. Almost exactly, except for the 2 weeks of dropping BP & pulse prior to reaching stroke/heart attack levels. I just don’t know what to do. I’m literally sitting here crying because I have NO help at all with her. Her “requests” have turned to demands. She’s demanding every phone call I make to anyone be made in front of her. I can’t even leave the room to use the bathroom without her calling me on the phone asking why I left her. I NEVER leave this house & it’s gotten to where I can’t even step outside for sunlight or fresh air without getting hollered for or her blowing up my phone. I have no one who will sit with her because it’s not enough to have someone just here she wants them in the den with her & watch her black & white shows or she wants to keep talking about all the stuff her oldest daughter stole from her. Or she starts getting hateful with people & being verbally abusive & demeaning. I’m a hairline away from putting all my stuff in storage & living out of my car because I have up my house & whole life to take care of her in what was supposed to be temporary until she could walk again (but that’s be confirmed will never happen again) & letting her go to a nursing home & let them take the house. I can’t keep living like this. I’m about to snap completely. She won’t even let me tend to my son when he has seizures. She screams & hollers & says I need to be with her & if he cracks his head open & dies then so be it. I need help & I don’t know what to do. She’s only going to get worse & this is already really bad.

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Are you her power of attorney for health or finances?

If not, you need to call Adult Protective Services and report that she is a vulnerable adult living alone, bedbound with no understanding of her condition.

If you are, you call 911 and TELL them that she needs to be transported to the hospital because she is delusional and non-compliant.

Is your son a minor? Who is caring for him?
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JL0904 Jul 21, 2022
She doesn’t have a medical POA just financial & I get a ton of leeway because I’m on every HIPAA waiver that could possibly exist. I’ve asked over & over for mental & cognitive assessments; all that resulted in was a psychiatric consult at the hospital & a bump in her Klonapin. No assessment. She’s got anxiety so that’s always used as the explanation for everything. She was having a friggin heart attack but when she complained about chest tightness they just said it was her anxiety & gave her oxygen. 2 hours later they came in to hook her up to the monitors & realized what was going on. Then it was people running in to give morphine & nitroglycerin & a different BP medicine. So I understand her unwillingness to be hospitalized. But her behaviors & rapidly declining conditions are taking a toll on me. My fiancé helps when he’s home but he’s limited. He’s recovering from a massive heart attack & stent implant. And because I’m not eager to lose him I try to make sure he’s not getting too worked up or over-exerting himself. I’m here dealing with all this by myself
from 6 am to 6 pm. Then the incessant phone calls through the night over stupid stuff. I’m sorry but don’t call me 14 times at 3 am because you’re lonely. Or to change your channel when you can operate a remote. Or to hand you tissues that are right beside you. Don’t demand me to come sit with you & watch the news & fall asleep in 3 mins & flip out when you wake up because I’ve gone to try to get something done.
I don’t understand how someone can be in the shape she’s in & not qualify for hospice - to be really bad but not bad enough. One cardiac event away from coma or God knows what else. I mean I can’t even get her a bigger bed that she actually fits in because I can’t get the hospital people to actually document an accurate weight or do measurements or anything. She has 1 inch or less on each side of her mattress right now. A 36” mattress. That means she’s 34” + across. Turning her for cleaning or bowel movements (because she can’t poop in a bed pan properly she can’t push it out unless she’s on her side) involves literally shoving her into the rails. I nearly shoved her over the rail yesterday. Burst of adrenaline from being so mad I guess. I’m so desperate for help. I don’t want to be homeless & have my son worry about it. He can’t be too stressed either or it increases seizure activity. (It’s been a task shielding him from all this mess).
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I haven't commented on anything here for awhile, but this just struck home with me. I had someone like this last year, and it was a complete nightmare. I had a dementia person, and this person was verbally abusive. I was not allowed to go out even for five minutes to get fresh air. The only time I was able to get away from her was when I took out the trash. I got yelled at and couldn't believe that I was actually defending myself for not putting bags of trash in a a large trashbag.

This person would fall during the hours I wasn't scheduled to work and refused to let me call the ambulance for fear of being placed in a home.

I got accused of stealing and other things. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I stayed in the basement waiting for her laundry to get done. It was the only time I got any peace. I felt guilty for doing that. Instead of watching the news she decided to start turning out the lights in the basement to force me to come upstairs. She refused to move so I could get by to clock out and threatened to call APS if I touched her. I had put up with two months of this abusive nonsense. Then I had to hear how worthless I was and I was not doing my job, and that my job was to take care of her. It seems like you life gets further and further away from you, and these people just take up all of your time.

I had it with this person and their abuse. I called my employer and told them I couldn't do this any longer with this particular person. This person was non compliant and would not do anything the doctor's told her to do. I would sometimes get to her home and she wouldn't open the door. It would take me an hour some days just to get into her home.

Finally, I had enough.
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BurntCaregiver Jul 21, 2022
That's terrible, Scampie. I've had clients like that. I never tolerated abuse though. I would usually fight fire with fire. If a client was being verbally abusive to me, I'd give it right back to them.
I did pretty well at not having a caregiving situation get out of my control. If a client was beyond my control, I dropped them and did not return.
Enough. PLEASE take Barb's advice and do what she suggests. Right now. Your son is your first priority, not your mentally ill Aunt-in-law. This is above and beyond your ability to deal with. This woman needs A LOT MORE care than you are capable of giving her. Let the experts handle her now.

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You say that you were only supposed to be a temporary caregiver to your aunt.
What was the plan for when your time as her caregiver would be over?
Now would be a good time to put that after caregiving plan into action.
There's no reason why you cannot walk away and I do not think you are exaggerating how your aunt is. I was an in-home caregiver for almost 25 years. I've seen all kinds and I believe you. You have helped her out and did right by her, but now it's time for you to go.
Her leg is permanently broken and the good leg cannot take weight. So, I'm going to assume that she doesn't walk anymore. Ignore her at night. Leave a water bottle and purchase one of those Purewick systems and ignore from 11pm to 7am (or whatever third shift hours you prefer). Let her scream and yell. She'll tire herself out and will stop when she realizes no one comes running in.
Don't let her have a phone during these hours either. If her screaming and ranting gets too bad call 911 and have her taken to the hospital.
Time to change the dynamic. She has dementia. The accusations of her daughter stealing from her, men outside her window, and won't allow any cleaning or laundry done, that's dementia. She belongs in a nursing home.
You do not have to be with her or go running in when she starts up. If there's nothing she can get hurt on and she cannot wander, let her scream and cry. Ignore her. Then get the hell out of that house.
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JL0904 Jul 24, 2022
The stealing from her oldest daughter actually occurred & led to us coming here. Aunt was left for 2 days without food or water by herself locked in the house while daughter was chasing her highs. Meanwhile, as it turned out, Aunt had MRSA & was in septic shock by the time she called an ambulance for herself.
Initially, the plan was to help her literally get back on her feet. Uncle died in September & youngest daughter lives 4 hours away & works @ a live-in facility for severely disabled kids. She does what she can & is well aware of what goes on here daily. I’ve sent her voice recordings. My son & I, as well as others, are named in the will for specific things. The house is willed to my fiancé. He has financial POA. She draws her social security, a widows benefit, gets a small pension (under $200) & has a rental income from a housing subsidy assigned to her deceased MIL’s house. So in addition to her Medicare, she could most certainly pay for a state NH if she were put in hospice status; right now with being denied & being essentially kicked out of a skilled nursing facility, no other place will take her. She will be getting palliative care & I’ll find out Wednesday afternoon exactly what services she will be assigned but I made it abundantly clear I need help & she also needs a comprehensive mental evaluation; this person needs to know exactly how to get answers & figure out what’s going on with her - manipulate the manipulator. I also stated said person needs to tell her exactly what she’s doing wrong - the cold hard truth from someone besides us. No placating, no false hope, not allowing the pity party guilt trip. She is very delusional particularly when it comes to her conditions & situation. All the doctors are lying, there’s nothing wrong with her, she’s gonna get out of bed & walk. So after feeling like a broken record & very exhausted yesterday I snapped. I told her to stop with the lies & denial & outrageous demands & fabrications. She is not ever getting out of bed, these things are most certainly wrong with her, she’s not just going to wake up one morning & be all better, & it most certainly is going to get worse. I proceeded to tell her the whole earth doesn’t revolve around her; it’s not about what she wants, but what she needs & I’m not a personal slave. From now on, I will make sure she is fed, that she has enough water, & that she’s clean. We will sit with her for dinner & not for hours & hours; no one wants to watch her sleep. When she has a medical emergency she will
go to the hospital, without arguing or begging for days. She will listen to what the doctors & nurses say & not twist it around or lie, because I will ask the medical people for the truth. I will also “tell on her” as she says. What’s bad is that it didn’t start this way. It didn’t get this way until about the end of May & then it was a downhill battle that got worse every day. I’m just going to have to start acting like the home professionals that would have this job - be an actual caregiver not a babysitter.
Time to toss in your white hat, make plans to leave in the meantime, call 911 and have her taken to the hospital, use Barb's words, then refuse to take her back, as you cannot care for her. Or call APS.

There are women's shelters around that will take you & your son. Time to end this cycle of abuse. Your son must be your priority and he is not.
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Where is this "fiancé," by the way? She's HIS relative, not yours, and you have no obligation to her. I suggest you take your son, walk away, and leave her to HER relatives to deal with.

Your priorities are not where they belong. Son #1, You #2, everyone else -- WAY down the list. I suggest you don't get tangled up with so-called fiancés any longer, and actually marry people you want to spend your life with. It would help keep this kind of thing from happening to your child. Fiancé is the new term for someone you're never going to marry.
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BurntCaregiver Jul 21, 2022
I totally agree, MJ1929. 'Fiance' is has become the new polite term for a person someone is having sex with but will never actually marry.
Even when they have kids it's still just a 'fiance'. Ridiculous. A fiance today is only just about one step above a booty-call.
Just the other day my ex-husband was asking if we are now considered fiances. I was teasing and said that you can't be a fiance without a ring.
Then he reminded me that I threw my engagement and wedding rings into the San Francisco Bay. They were nice rings too. Live and learn I guess.
I would call 911 & have her transported to hospital.

State the very recent heart attack, worsening impaired cognition/insight, worsening bevariour issues. Use Barb's word *delusional*. It is accurate.

You have tried other resources like hospice but Aunt now requires 24/7 care, possibly end of life. Her needs now exceed what you can do. It's that simple.

Impaired cognition is common with end stage CKD. Aunt's denial is probably part of how she is coping. She is not going down without a fight - this is her right.

However, it is not her right to insist you take care of her physically & mentally 24/7.
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When she berates you and starts up, tell her to 'f*** off' and walk away.
Are you kidding? There is no reason on earth why you have to be living in such abuse and misery. Your son who has seizures should be the number ONE priority in your life. Not some ingrate, a$$hole relative who treats you worse than a heap of garbage.
Walk away and let her fend for herself. Make a call to APS and tell them she's an at-risk, vulnerable adult who will be living alone (tell them the date) and will have no care. They will take it from there.
Inform the olderst daughter who she accuses of stealing, or any of her other kids that you're done and out. Let them figure out what to do with her. You and your son must go.
If you have nowhere to go right now, when the next health crisis happens (and it will) send her to the hospital and ask them for a social admit. Tell them that she has no caregiving at home because you are no longer providing it. They will keep her and place her if she's considered an unsafe discharge. In the meantime, look for somewhere else you and your son can stay.
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MarkMoore Jul 21, 2022
And block her number!
You should definitely get another hospice evaluation.
Or put aunt in NH.
You cannot continue, toxic, abusive environment for you and your son? This will only get worse.
Any advice will be useless if one of you does not get away from this situation.
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Are you POA? Step 1- get her back in hospital (don't know why she came home when in such bad shape). & tell ER you have nobody to stay with her. If she's abusive, nobody will come to house to take care of her, sit with her or even stay 5 minutes. She needs medication that will calm her. Aunt probably has dementia. You have BIG RESPONSIBILITY with your son....take care of him first. Make sure Aunt is in a place that will care for her and worry about the $$$ later. Make appointment for elder law atty to get advice how to handle this financially. You're a burnt-out caregiver. This can't continue. Only you can save yourself and son. Why isn't her daughter handling this instead of you? I didn't realize till I read the other answers that this isn't even YOUR AUNT! You have really been taken advantage here by so called "boyfriend". You can probably get paid to take care of your son through the Medicaid CDPAP program. He is the only one you should be concerned about right now, besides yourself
P.S. We all thought this was temporary....which could be 1 mo, 1 yr or 5 yrs or more
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