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Most people have considered the situation you have described in the abstract, not really thinking they will ever have to consider it in reality. In the situation you describe, I feel it is a personal choice, a choice that no one else should judge, and no one else or entity - government, etc - should interfere with. As far as bringing religion into it, that is up to you, too. No one should judge you or influence you using their own brand of beliefs. Everyone feels their own brand of religion is the "true one". That fact that you are asking may indicate that you want approval. However, this is a personal decision and you do not need anyone's approval. Whatever you choose, it seems you will have to plan for it now while you are in full command of your faculties. Whether it is to plan and finance assisted suicide or to plan and finance your care when you are no longer able to care for yourself.
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I have to say that anyone considering a bullet a good option, should really take a long drive into the wilderness. Because doing this in your home is as effed up as it gets. It is life long trauma for whomever finds your mess.

Do it where nobody but wild animals will have to see your carcass.
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Tothill Apr 2022
Back in the 1980’s when BC had a prolonged recession a neighbour took his life in the bathroom of their home on his son’s 8th birthday. He used a gun.

It was horrific for the family, for the boy and for our entire neighbourhood. We all heard the shot.
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Gee, I thought I was the only Boomer looking for an easy way out if and when a terminal disease is diagnosed, but here we all are.

We've been taking about all the many ways to avoid languishing in pain or loss of, when the end is in sight. Hospice does offer morphine and other drugs to minimize these issues. "Death with Dignity" is a very important alternative so that friends and family are not the ones left behind with the sight of a deceased loved one. I believe the body blows up and smells horrific; that is not how I want to be remembered, nor do I want to be responsible for someone else's PTSD.

Personally, I would prefer to take Fentanyl; from what I've seen, it's quick and easy. So many unsuspecting addicts take it for a joy ride, but if it can be used medically to induce a smooth ride to the Pearly Gates, why not? We've put too many precious pets down for the sake of mercy, why don't we deserve the same love and respect for a life well lived?
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Labs4me Apr 2022
I would reconsider Fentanyl. My son died from an overdose of this drug and it was not a smooth ride.
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Hi Fedup,

I am also concerned about my own possible end of life, as my mother died from dementia and both my sisters have Alzheimer’s. I’ve care for them all and I don’t envision that for myself. I volunteer with End of Life Washington and have assisted 30 or more people using Death with Dignity, otherwise known as medical aid in dying. It is fast and peaceful and the body does not blow up, as one person below indicated. However, it is not available for Alzheimer’s and dementia patients. There are two other options. VSED or Voluntarily Stopping Eating and Drinking is one way. It takes about two weeks and requires caregivers and a death doula is recommended. One drawback is that the required care for two weeks is expensive and usually out of pocket. See VSEDResources.com for more info.
Another option is Final Exit Network. Both are legal and can get the job done.
I’m only providing information and not making recommendations. But, I am passionate about both my roles of caregiving and helping people die. Feel free to reach out if you want to talk more or just visit Endoflifewashington.org to see what kind of advanced planning options there are.
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Absolutely! My Mom has wanted to die for the last 2 years, however, her body is not frail enough. She has arthritis in her lower back that makes it hurt to sit down for long periods of time and lie down for long periods of time. However, that same arthritis makes it difficult to walk. What do I mean long? 5-10 minutes. With meds and dementia, she sleeps on the average of 45 minutes per time, before either pain or the urge to go to the bathroom, wakes her up. She has gained the ability to have completely lucid conversations, eat, walk, etc. all while being asleep. It took us a year to realize that she did this....however...I digress....

My Mom does not have a condition that would allow assisted suicide, even if she didn't have dementia. Just being old and wanting to die is not a reason for assisted suicide.

I've seriously re-thought about the "good to live long" concept.

Regarding starvation as a way to die, my ex-mother-in-law attempted that. All she wanted to do was to die in her own house. Her kids were gone, she had done everything she wanted to do in her life, her siblings passed away, her spouse passed away decades earlier, she couldn't relate to the people who had moved into the neighborhood, plus she was now on a street that had traffic. The problem is that when she starved herself, she lost the ability to control her muscles, which meant that someone found her on the floor with urine. After being in the hospital, she was deemed to not be able to live by herself, therefore, she never returned home, and died in a nursing home(?) 5 years later. Starvation isn't for the faint of heart.

Sometimes I think that dying of a heart attack might be a good thing....

....and no, I am not suicidal....
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SusanHeart Jun 2022
Chopper I do not know where you are but there are DRs who can assist your mom with the back pain. It is called Pain management. Do some research and talk to them, you will be surprised. My dad has really low pain tolerance and have arthritis, scoliosis and disc compression and the shots helped him tremendously.

Best of luck to you both, there is hope, please do not give up, the 1 little thing that they say and forget about it 3 seconds later that makes you laugh, that unexpected action that warms you heart makes things worth it.

I will be sending you thought of strength.
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As Patton said in the movie: every damn day!
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Yes indeedy! But I think for me, when Mike dies, [he is seven years older than me,]
I will just stop with all the pills I have to take, especially heart and blood pressure,
and wait for nature to take it's course. My daughter states that it is the cowards way out but I don't think she has a clue. I wish she would come up and visit Mike and see all the zombies [poor frightened things!] that are in the Home. She would
perhaps re-think her opinions on this matter.
I died once in the hospital for two minutes and glory be, did I have an experience but we won't go into that because I am already called crazy by the people of this building I live in! I told one lady I trusted and she shared it with everyone else and they are low IQ'd and nasty. I keep things to myself now. I am moving this weekend just to get away from the building. The Home isn't the only place where people are childish when older. Believe me!
My two cents worth.
Temper. :}
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reallyfedup: Do NOT do this to your loved ones. Seek help posthaste. Think of it this way - you would be gone and they will be left with tremendous upset, to say the least.
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Yes, I have thought about this a great deal. Do not want to subject my kids and husband to the Awfulness. Hard part is that you’d have to take your life while still being lucid and having quality of life, and it would be hard to leave my family in that state of mind.

We had to peacefully euthanize our family dog last year, and I think all the time about how we afforded him that mercy but can’t stop the suffering of humans in our life who are begging for an end to their sheer misery.

Euthanasia/suicide are obviously so complex as issues.
as an issue.
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Hi,I don't have any kids either. My mom has always been my best friend in the whole world. She has Alzheimer's and I take care of her and it is emotionally killing me. I don't have any body that would take care of me either. I'm gonna stay around to take care of her but when something happens to her, I can't stand the thought of living with out my MoMA, so I'm going to commit suicide then
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PeggySue2020 Apr 2022
if you are seriously thinking of killing yourself when your senior dies, you need help or to be helped out of the caregiving situation. It is normal for the elders to die first.
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I read several of the replys to this quandry.

I, too, am not suicidal. But when realize that I am going to need help to live, I plan to exit. My husband and I both have decided this. I even dreamed one night that I was having a funeral. I was alive and basically, it was a party for me to say goodbye. I think that's a wonderful way to go.

My mother has wanted to go to sleep and not wake up for more than 5 years. Today she is in a wheelchair, losing her memories, and living in Assisted Living. I go to see her and most of the time she is sitting in her chair in her room alone and asleep. Breaks my heart to think she's doing this for hours every day. Fortunately, she is in a good facility and they bring her out of her room regularly.
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Addressing this to anyone: 💖

The last two years of pandemic have been tragic and heartbreaking.
It was enough to think about.

It is time to attempt to come out the other side, get your thoughts and lives in order. Start to function better, as best you can. (This statement is called tough love).

Thinking of suicide is a common human condition.
However, no one will be doing well entertaining those thoughts.
I say pass on that kind of thinking, put it aside. If you must, speak to a psychiatrist about your thoughts. But decide you will not act on it.

If you want to get through this time, give up any interest or obsessions or curiosity about the dark side of life. Choose life, so that you might live, and live abundantly.

Yes, I am not unaware you have rights. You also have the right to live.
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reallyfedup May 2022
I appreciate your words. I do not plan to commit assisted suicide right now. I would never do that while my husband was alive. However, I have two reasons to consider it. One is that there is an excellent chance that I will eventually
develop some kind of dementia. Should I sense the beginning of dementia and my husband is gone, I will seek assisted suicide. The other reason is that I have suffered for more than 50 years from a complex mood disorder. I have pursued treatment for almost the entire time and never found relief. I just today spoke with a bipolar disorder clinic psychiatrist who is going to send an assessment in a week. But the clinic does not offer the newer treatments, so I'm afraid I'll be back to the same drugs that haven't worked well in the past, many of which have unacceptable side effects. So, I'm working on trying to make it better and we'll see. It's not that I want to commit suicide, it's that I'm very tired.
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The people who are still here with dementia, double incontient, immobile and so forth are increasingly still here because Medicare paid for repeated treatments, often to the tune of hundreds of thousands or a million apiece, to save their life until they get to the above point. This will only increase with the boomers, so I suggest a choice that every eligible Medicare recipient should be entitled to make.

Which is that you can have 2 million worth of government paid whatever through your lifespan. If you didn’t pursue these very expensive treatments and end up double incontinent and or with dementia, it is only fair that Medicare should pay for you as versus someone who elected to take every treatment available.
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Oh yes, I am absolutely terrified of getting alzheimers or dementia when I am older. My only consolation is that I am not even 40 yet so chances are it is a very long way off.

After seeing what alzheimers did to my mother I am absolutely terrified of it. I think out of any terminal illness it is by far the one I least want. But unfortunately for me, the most likely I will get.

Modern medical science has evolved to the point where we can now keep people alive for a long time, much too long, and there seems to have been so little emphasis on quality of life, just fact of life. In this quest to do anything we can to keep people alive it is like a form of torture spanning years. I absolutely cannot fathom the thought of this for myself.

I am really hoping the law and science around euthanasia develops significantly in the next 20 or so years to allow people to die with dignity.
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Yes, I have thought about it. Getting dementia and ending up like my mom scares the hell out of me. I don't want to burden my daughter with managing my care. I don't want her to dread having to come see me when she is tired and has fifty other things to do. I don't want her to hold her breath to see if I remember who she is. I don't want her stressing about how to pay for my care. I don't want friends of mine showing up and seeing me not in control of my faculties.

There are worse things than death and dementia is one of them....
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It seems that you have all the answers already. Good luck.
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This is a very complicated issue since you need to be competent to receive assisted suicide services. Also, people who swore they would do it, cling to life at the end. Suppose you simply can’t remember your plan? Nobody in your family can help or they will be charged with murder. If you are in a facility, they must give you your medications. If you are at home, you could tell your family you want hospice and they can withhold life supporting medication. Watch the movie, One True Thing with Meryl Streep.
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Yes I think about it everyday. I take care of my dad, married but no kids by choice except a fur kid, husband is younger but poor health and I truly do not want to live once I get to the point I need to be taken care of.

Per responses to your question here we are not alone and someone mentioned quality of life I agree what quality of life is there when you are bed ridden having to be fed, bathed and changed? I do not want for me this “quality of life”
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