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Your mother is using every trick in the book to manipulate you into giving up YOUR life, in its entirety, to continue caring for her and about her, and it will never be 'good enough'. She's desperate now, so the tactics will get worse & worse the more desperate she gets, so buckle up. Turn your phone to vibrate, let the calls go to voicemail, use all of YOUR stamina to ward off HER tactics while others figure out what to do with her now. Mental illness is a serious issue, and one that you are not qualified to deal with, certainly not at THIS level. Leave it to the professionals in the medical community to deal with. Hopefully your mother can be placed in a Skilled Nursing Facility or other long term care residence with the state, or your sister, acting as her guardian.
If you don't figure out a way to turn away and say ENOUGH to all of this drama, you may wind up hospitalized yourself for stress related illness (based on your other posts).
Sometimes it becomes necessary to take care of OURSELVES for a change, before we can do any caretaking of others.
Other times, we have to hold up the white flag of surrender and say I can't do this, I won't do this, it's too much & way more than I can handle.
I did that in 2014 with my own mother and I thank God on a daily basis that I placed her in Assisted Living and now Memory Care where others are paid to deal with her histrionics and not me. Soon she will run out of money and I'll have to apply for Medicaid to fund her stay in a Skilled Nursing Facility which I'm sure she will hate, especially the 'having a roommate' part, since she detests women.
But hey, there's no other choice in the matter b/c I'm simply not qualified to handle the woman in my home, nor would I if I were qualified. It's just Too Much.
You asked on another post, 'when is it all over?' I think all the brain damage is over when they finally pass away. But not for everyone. We read lots posts here from daughters *mostly* who are STILL upset and grieving years after their narcissistic and mentally ill mothers pass away. STILL unable to get the bad memories out of their heads from all the grief they'd experienced over the decades.
My advice to you is to get a therapist NOW. Don't wait any longer. Get someone to help you figure it all out now, before she passes away, and before ONE MORE minute of YOUR life passes you by where you're questioning yourself and your actions. It's not worth it.
We have only one life here and it's a short one at that. These women already occupy wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too much space in our heads as it is now, let alone down the road. Therapy can wind up being the best thing we've ever done for OURSELVES, you know? Something designed to help US instead of our mothers.
Wishing you the best of luck figuring all of this out.
When faced with "How can you.." I try to breathe. Try not be triggered into guilt.
I could be literal: ie "How can I?" *Because you need to be here for treatment*.
Or I could ask questions back: ie "Why do you want me to stay? What do you need?"
The "How can you.." is used for manipulation. It's a F.O.G statement. Other common ones I can think of are: What will happen to me? (Fear) You are family - you have to do it! (Obligation) & If you loved me.. (Guilt).
It takes a lot of practice to weather these strong tactics. Need an iron shield!
Oh boy, I would call her behavior ‘emotional blackmail.’ Unfortunately, it’s not uncommon with people that have a habit of trying to manipulate others.
Don’t take the bait! She wants you to feel sorry enough for her that you will obey her commands.
She may be family but she isn’t your boss.
You are the boss of your own life. Step away from the toxicity and create new surroundings.
You’ve already traveled that road. It only leads to a dead end.
Otherwise, years ago, a very dear friend and colleague became very very depressed and was taken to a psych hospital by her husband and adult daughter. She asked me to come visit.
The person I visited had the same voice as my frend of many years, but the logic was no longer there. I completely got why her family had "incarcerated" (her words) her, but she was not healthy enough to be in charge of her own lifr and her family couldnt manage her unstable moods any longer.
Your mother is where she needs to be. YOU are not capable of helping her. Please tell her to talk to the doctors.
The answer is easy: "Because I am human and not a Saint; because I have many limitations. I am sorry, but having said that, nothing is changed. This is the way it has to be.". This person is being manipulative. It's to be expected.
I’m not good at being guilted, I just won’t accept that the gripes of others are my fault. There have been many times I’ve wished something could be better or different, but it’s not on me to fix, or when it gets to be too much, to even listen. Your mother is very unwell, please don’t allow her accusations and thoughts to enter
Listen to Lealonnie, she knows what she’s talking about. My mother died 5 months ago and I still get the negetative tapes playing in my head.
My mother was the one who did all the DWELLING and I feel like I am picking up right where she left off.
There is always something that triggers a memory. A song, or something someone said on this forum will trigger something.
I thought tonight about how when my father passed away in 1998, right before he passed away he reached up for me to give him a kiss and he told me he loved me.
After he passed I was on my way to my mothers house with my husband. I started crying and gave my father one last hug and kiss. I turned to my husband and he hugged me tight. I turned to my mother to reach out because I needed a hug and she says to me I can’t hug you, I can’t get upset, I have a funeral to prepare for. That was it. No hug, no tears from her.
Im thinking about going back on medicine. I would rather have the medicine erase all of my memories than to not be on medicine and have every single negative tape about my mother play in my head.
If possible, block her calls. Don't take any. If she's using the facility phones, let them ALL go to voicemail, then you have record of her calls and threats. IF sensible calls come from the facility itself, choose those you will respond to.
Your mother continues her attempts at guilt. Guilt is for those who have done something wrong OR are trying to CYA. You have done nothing wrong and have no need to CYA. If anyone needs to CYA, it is those who are also trying to coerce you or guilt you into taking responsibility for her care. Nope.
You have no POAs for financial or medical issues. Your mother would have to appoint you, and I seriously doubt she can legitimately/legally appoint anyone. Guardianship/conservatorship is the only way to take on her financial and medical issues and you are under NO obligation to take on these roles. NONE. It doesn't matter that she gave birth to you (or your sister), these are roles that one has to WANT to take on.
Leave it to the "experts" to figure this all out. It is, on some level, part of their job. Not yours. If she needed heart surgery, would they leave it to you to perform that surgery? No. If she needed dialysis, would they expect you to perform that? No. This is really no different. She has a medical condition (or more than one) which needs care that you are NOT qualified to provide.
Please just refuse their calls and look to caring for YOU. As for "visiting" her after they find placement, I would think long and hard before doing that. Just because they find placement doesn't mean suddenly she will be some nice sweet loving caring old lady with some dementia. Some medication(s) might take the edge off, but it won't make it go away. Seeing you or your sister just might be a trigger to override the medication!
Even with a relatively "simple" dementia, they recommend waiting at least 2 weeks before visiting, to allow some "adjustment" to the move. Going back through your other posts, this most recent "episode" started at least around March 3 - almost 3 weeks ago! She's been all over the map since then. I highly doubt 2 weeks in a facility is going to change much. You can stay in touch with the staff at whatever facility they finally get her into and perhaps they can advise you about visiting. I would NOT go alone and at the first sign of one of her tirades, I would LEAVE. No attempts to distract or redirect her, just go.
Harsh as all that may sound to others, this is not a simple case of dementia or Alz, there are long standing mental health issues underlying the dementia. If, at some point in the future, she can become calm and relatively civil, perhaps some visits would be good. In the meantime, Otherwise, you need to look after your own well being and let them deal with your mother. Block the calls. Don't worry about what will become of her or her assets. Let them figure it out.
Don't let anyone on this forum guilt you either. As with some of the "experts" you've dealt with, it's just their opinions as well. We all know about opinions...
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If you don't figure out a way to turn away and say ENOUGH to all of this drama, you may wind up hospitalized yourself for stress related illness (based on your other posts).
Sometimes it becomes necessary to take care of OURSELVES for a change, before we can do any caretaking of others.
Other times, we have to hold up the white flag of surrender and say I can't do this, I won't do this, it's too much & way more than I can handle.
I did that in 2014 with my own mother and I thank God on a daily basis that I placed her in Assisted Living and now Memory Care where others are paid to deal with her histrionics and not me. Soon she will run out of money and I'll have to apply for Medicaid to fund her stay in a Skilled Nursing Facility which I'm sure she will hate, especially the 'having a roommate' part, since she detests women.
But hey, there's no other choice in the matter b/c I'm simply not qualified to handle the woman in my home, nor would I if I were qualified. It's just Too Much.
You asked on another post, 'when is it all over?' I think all the brain damage is over when they finally pass away. But not for everyone. We read lots posts here from daughters *mostly* who are STILL upset and grieving years after their narcissistic and mentally ill mothers pass away. STILL unable to get the bad memories out of their heads from all the grief they'd experienced over the decades.
My advice to you is to get a therapist NOW. Don't wait any longer. Get someone to help you figure it all out now, before she passes away, and before ONE MORE minute of YOUR life passes you by where you're questioning yourself and your actions. It's not worth it.
We have only one life here and it's a short one at that. These women already occupy wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too much space in our heads as it is now, let alone down the road. Therapy can wind up being the best thing we've ever done for OURSELVES, you know? Something designed to help US instead of our mothers.
Wishing you the best of luck figuring all of this out.
I could be literal: ie
"How can I?" *Because you need to be here for treatment*.
Or I could ask questions back: ie "Why do you want me to stay? What do you need?"
The "How can you.." is used for manipulation. It's a F.O.G statement. Other common ones I can think of are:
What will happen to me? (Fear) You are family - you have to do it! (Obligation) & If you loved me.. (Guilt).
It takes a lot of practice to weather these strong tactics. Need an iron shield!
You can do it ☺️
Don’t take the bait! She wants you to feel sorry enough for her that you will obey her commands.
She may be family but she isn’t your boss.
You are the boss of your own life. Step away from the toxicity and create new surroundings.
You’ve already traveled that road. It only leads to a dead end.
Wishing you all the best.
The person I visited had the same voice as my frend of many years, but the logic was no longer there. I completely got why her family had "incarcerated" (her words) her, but she was not healthy enough to be in charge of her own lifr and her family couldnt manage her unstable moods any longer.
Your mother is where she needs to be. YOU are not capable of helping her. Please tell her to talk to the doctors.
This person is being manipulative. It's to be expected.
More in a bit...
My mother was the one who did all the DWELLING and I feel like I am picking up right where she left off.
There is always something that triggers a memory. A song, or something someone said on this forum will trigger something.
I thought tonight about how when my father passed away in 1998, right before he passed away he reached up for me to give him a kiss and he told me he loved me.
After he passed I was on my way to my mothers house with my husband. I started crying and gave my father one last hug and kiss. I turned to my husband and he hugged me tight. I turned to my mother to reach out because I needed a hug and she says to me I can’t hug you, I can’t get upset, I have a funeral to prepare for. That was it. No hug, no tears from her.
Im thinking about going back on medicine. I would rather have the medicine erase all of my memories than to not be on medicine and have every single negative tape about my mother play in my head.
Your mother continues her attempts at guilt. Guilt is for those who have done something wrong OR are trying to CYA. You have done nothing wrong and have no need to CYA. If anyone needs to CYA, it is those who are also trying to coerce you or guilt you into taking responsibility for her care. Nope.
You have no POAs for financial or medical issues. Your mother would have to appoint you, and I seriously doubt she can legitimately/legally appoint anyone. Guardianship/conservatorship is the only way to take on her financial and medical issues and you are under NO obligation to take on these roles. NONE. It doesn't matter that she gave birth to you (or your sister), these are roles that one has to WANT to take on.
Leave it to the "experts" to figure this all out. It is, on some level, part of their job. Not yours. If she needed heart surgery, would they leave it to you to perform that surgery? No. If she needed dialysis, would they expect you to perform that? No. This is really no different. She has a medical condition (or more than one) which needs care that you are NOT qualified to provide.
Please just refuse their calls and look to caring for YOU. As for "visiting" her after they find placement, I would think long and hard before doing that. Just because they find placement doesn't mean suddenly she will be some nice sweet loving caring old lady with some dementia. Some medication(s) might take the edge off, but it won't make it go away. Seeing you or your sister just might be a trigger to override the medication!
Even with a relatively "simple" dementia, they recommend waiting at least 2 weeks before visiting, to allow some "adjustment" to the move. Going back through your other posts, this most recent "episode" started at least around March 3 - almost 3 weeks ago! She's been all over the map since then. I highly doubt 2 weeks in a facility is going to change much. You can stay in touch with the staff at whatever facility they finally get her into and perhaps they can advise you about visiting. I would NOT go alone and at the first sign of one of her tirades, I would LEAVE. No attempts to distract or redirect her, just go.
Harsh as all that may sound to others, this is not a simple case of dementia or Alz, there are long standing mental health issues underlying the dementia. If, at some point in the future, she can become calm and relatively civil, perhaps some visits would be good. In the meantime, Otherwise, you need to look after your own well being and let them deal with your mother. Block the calls. Don't worry about what will become of her or her assets. Let them figure it out.
Don't let anyone on this forum guilt you either. As with some of the "experts" you've dealt with, it's just their opinions as well. We all know about opinions...
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