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It is necessary to receive an expert advice since you're most valuable property is involved, which is your home. Potential borrowers are actually required to undergo reverse mortgage counseling according to revmortgage.org so that they can protect their best interests and make a confident decision. Through counseling, applications will have protection and the option to proceed once they are understand the ins and outs of reverse mortgage.
Counseling comes with a price around $125-$250 per person but don't worry because there are some counselors who waive this and provide counseling for free.
Two of the big RM players, Bank of America & Wells Fargo, got out of the new reverse business in 2012. They were like 50% of the market too - they still service & honor the old loans but do not write any new ones. They did it because many of the homes with RM now are negative-equity so they were taking losses on those RM's (done in the go-go real estate years of the 1990's – 2005). MetLife got out of doing RM’s in 2013. What is left in the RM market are smaller mortgage companies. Some are good but some did subprime mortgage lending.
Below are excepts from an article from the New York Times, October 14, 2012 by Jessica Silver Greenberg: “Reverse Mortgages Costing American Their Homes” “The very loans that are supposed to help seniors stay in their homes are in many cases pushing them out. Reverse mortgages, which allow homeowners 62 and older to borrow money against the value of their homes and not pay it back until they move out or die, have long been fraught with problems. But federal and state regulators are documenting new instances of abuse as smaller mortgage brokers, including former subprime lenders, flood the market after the recent exit of big banks and as defaults on the loans hit record rates.”
“MetLife was the latest major player to exit the market, in April. That followed the departure last year of the two biggest reverse mortgage lenders, Bank of America and Wells Fargo, which cited falling housing prices and difficulty assessing borrowers’ ability to repay the loans.” “Reverse mortgages also have troublesome incentive structures that might encourage brokers to steer seniors toward lump-sum loans, which carry a fixed interest rate, rather than a line of credit with a variable interest rate, the bureau found. In a lump sum arrangement, the interest charges are added each month, and over time the total debt owed can far surpass the original loan.Brokers earn higher fees on these loans and even more money when they sell the loans into the secondary market, where they can get rates nearly double those for variable loans, according to rate sheets obtained by the consumer bureau.” If you want to read more the link to this article is: nytimes/.../reverse-mortgages-costing-some-seniors-their-h... Over 400 comments with lots of personal RM stories. It is a pretty sobering read.
to GregPagan - if you do a FHA backed RM, they will require that you go to a counseling session before FHA will process the RM. You need to take your questions for this session so that you clearly understand what you are doing.
I think one needs to be VERY careful with RM. RM is debt that HAS TO BE REPAID. If homeowners, their kids or heirs want to keep the house, then the RM, it’s fees, interest and other expenses within the RM has to be paid in full once homeowner dies OR does something to have RM come due, otherwise house will be sold on the open market. There is no gray area, the RM has to be repaid. If it’s an FHA backed RM & house sells for less than owed, FHA pays the difference to the mortgage holder. Family doesn’t have to make up the difference. But if you want to keep the house, you have to pay off the whole RM.
RM’s can work for some….like a healthy couple 63 & 65 which own 300K appraised home outright and plan on staying there another 10 - 20 years; home in an area of increasing value; & they have guaranteed income to pay taxes, insurance, maintenance for 10 - 20 years without a strain; & you do line of credit RM. So when you finally move, home is now 400-500K which repays the RM & leaves you $ for a downsized home.
But too often, RM is done by those in financial crisis. If the RM’d home is old & lower value, the $ (which may be 50% of value) is just a band-aid on a bigger $$ problem. They can’t pay for what is required on upkeep on house. If they are really elderly, then end up needing a NH. Either way they end up in a RM default.
As of 2013 significant changes happened to FHA backed RM because of all the problems with RM’s. Now you have to show the ability to pay for all the “required” on the house, like insurance, taxes, etc for several years and if not you have to now have an escrow-like account done to cover these costs. If you are low income and struggling, you can’t do this. The value & condition on the house has to be verifiable & not by the RM originator.
If you do a RM there are main 4 things that can be a problem for compliance and cause the RM to be in default & due:
- FAILURE TO PAY - property taxes, insurance. For many who have had their home, their underinsured for the new debt. Or now they find they now need flood or wind policies. Premiums for new insurance can be lots more. - MOVING TO A NEW RESIDENCE- if RM property stops being your primary, you are out of compliance with loan. If you move into IL or AL or NH, your loan is due.
- BEING OUT OF THE HOME FOR MORE THAN 1 Yr - the loan will come due. A cruise or long vacation is OK, but you have to continue to live in the home. Most policies have this.
- ALLOWING THE PROPERTY TO DETERIORATE - you are expected to pay for all repairs & maintenance on the home. After Hurricane Katrina, some with RM’s got letters as to the status of the home, how it was being secured, repairs contracts, utility information - this was all about calling in loans that were in areas with uncertainty.
Joe, yes they will give you 30 days to repay the loan amount plus interest. Most people don't have $50K in their back pocket, so you should definitely plan on NOT inheriting the house. So lets say Dad signs the loan, borrows $50K and gets $1000 a month. Payments stop after 4 years and 2 months (50months). Then he goes into a nursing home. The lender demands $50K plus interest. Mom has no money. Goodbye house. Hello Mom on your doorstep.
Yes read the fine print, I had to help someone, whose mother died and bank of america almost took the home.they wanted a huge pay out when her mother died.
They will loan you about half the equity in the house. They set up a payment plan based on life expectancy. When one or both dies or goes into a NH (read the fine print), they take the house. They can also foreclose if the property is in arrears on taxes or not properly maintained (read the fine print). The lender pays out the loan in three ways: lump sum, monthly payouts, or line of credit. When the equity is used up, the payments end. What most people do not know is that Medicaid and SSI considers loan advances as cash assets or “liquid assets” when they are kept beyond the month that a recipient receives them. Borrowers may just find themselves ineligible for these State benefit programs.
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APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
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APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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Counseling comes with a price around $125-$250 per person but don't worry because there are some counselors who waive this and provide counseling for free.
Below are excepts from an article from the New York Times, October 14, 2012 by Jessica Silver Greenberg: “Reverse Mortgages Costing American Their Homes”
“The very loans that are supposed to help seniors stay in their homes are in many cases pushing them out. Reverse mortgages, which allow homeowners 62 and older to borrow money against the value of their homes and not pay it back until they move out or die, have long been fraught with problems. But federal and state regulators are documenting new instances of abuse as smaller mortgage brokers, including former subprime lenders, flood the market after the recent exit of big banks and as defaults on the loans hit record rates.”
“MetLife was the latest major player to exit the market, in April. That followed the departure last year of the two biggest reverse mortgage lenders, Bank of America and Wells Fargo, which cited falling housing prices and difficulty assessing borrowers’ ability to repay the loans.”
“Reverse mortgages also have troublesome incentive structures that might encourage brokers to steer seniors toward lump-sum loans, which carry a fixed interest rate, rather than a line of credit with a variable interest rate, the bureau found. In a lump sum arrangement, the interest charges are added each month, and over time the total debt owed can far surpass the original loan.Brokers earn higher fees on these loans and even more money when they sell the loans into the secondary market, where they can get rates nearly double those for variable loans, according to rate sheets obtained by the consumer bureau.” If you want to read more the link to this article is:
nytimes/.../reverse-mortgages-costing-some-seniors-their-h... Over 400 comments with lots of personal RM stories. It is a pretty sobering read.
to GregPagan - if you do a FHA backed RM, they will require that you go to a counseling session before FHA will process the RM. You need to take your questions for this session so that you clearly understand what you are doing.
RM is debt that HAS TO BE REPAID.
If homeowners, their kids or heirs want to keep the house, then the RM, it’s fees, interest and other expenses within the RM has to be paid in full once homeowner dies OR does something to have RM come due, otherwise house will be sold on the open market. There is no gray area, the RM has to be repaid. If it’s an FHA backed RM & house sells for less than owed, FHA pays the difference to the mortgage holder. Family doesn’t have to make up the difference. But if you want to keep the house, you have to pay off the whole RM.
RM’s can work for some….like a healthy couple 63 & 65 which own 300K appraised home outright and plan on staying there another 10 - 20 years; home in an area of increasing value; & they have guaranteed income to pay taxes, insurance, maintenance for 10 - 20 years without a strain; & you do line of credit RM. So when you finally move, home is now 400-500K which repays the RM & leaves you $ for a downsized home.
But too often, RM is done by those in financial crisis. If the RM’d home is old & lower value, the $ (which may be 50% of value) is just a band-aid on a bigger $$ problem. They can’t pay for what is required on upkeep on house. If they are really elderly, then end up needing a NH. Either way they end up in a RM default.
As of 2013 significant changes happened to FHA backed RM because of all the problems with RM’s. Now you have to show the ability to pay for all the “required” on the house, like insurance, taxes, etc for several years and if not you have to now have an escrow-like account done to cover these costs. If you are low income and struggling, you can’t do this. The value & condition on the house has to be verifiable & not by the RM originator.
If you do a RM there are main 4 things that can be a problem for compliance and cause the RM to be in default & due:
- FAILURE TO PAY - property taxes, insurance. For many who have had their home, their underinsured for the new debt. Or now they find they now need flood or wind policies. Premiums for new insurance can be lots more.
- MOVING TO A NEW RESIDENCE- if RM property stops being your primary, you are out of compliance with loan. If you move into IL or AL or NH, your loan is due.
- BEING OUT OF THE HOME FOR MORE THAN 1 Yr - the loan will come due. A cruise or long vacation is OK, but you have to continue to live in the home. Most policies have this.
- ALLOWING THE PROPERTY TO DETERIORATE - you are expected to pay for all repairs & maintenance on the home. After Hurricane Katrina, some with RM’s got letters as to the status of the home, how it was being secured, repairs contracts, utility information - this was all about calling in loans that were in areas with uncertainty.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/september-2009/personal-finance/reverse-mortgages/overview/reverse-mortgages-ov.htm
What most people do not know is that Medicaid and SSI considers loan advances as cash assets or “liquid assets” when they are kept beyond the month that a recipient receives them. Borrowers may just find themselves ineligible for these State benefit programs.