So... first... most of this is my fault and hindsight is 20/20. MIL has since the beginning of our marriage been a sore subject. The day we announced our engagement to her. Her statement "I was afraid this was going to happen. I guess I can't change it now" First 15 years of marriage she was married to her 5 or 6th husband not sure what the number is, but he served a purpose. He drew the heat from us (wife and I) Their lack of finances.. poor living conditions.. poor state of affairs were his fault. Myself and wife (responsible 1 of 4) children took it upon ourselves to help her get divorced and even assisted in funding/finding/suing her husband to try to find a way out. Fast forward.... death of MIL's mother and ensuing estate battles etc all assisted by wife and I to get her possession of family home. Basically fighting over very small scraps but nonetheless, more than what MIL has to her name. Always running short on cash to pay bills. Other 3 siblings not responsible and some taking money from MIL who has nothing to give.. but nonetheless gives what she has (commend her for affection... but can't pay for stuff herself has no financial future... so wow.. hoard every penny right??? ) Wife and I make decision.. to give her some living money.. we buy property from her. Then she has money. We move her in with us so she has cash to live out her golden years. Wife works VERY hard to make her mom comfortable. Trying hard to do everything for her cause I would do the same. Sorry.. interject. Wife and I are hard workers. Never miss work.. run our own businesses save all our nickels so we can have the better things in life. We don't party.. we don't buy extravagant things even though we could. We buy a larger house so that MIL can live with us.. my thoughts.. peace of mind that she is okay... not falling.. etc. We know she is okay etc. Wife doesn't have to go to her house to bring her pharmacy etc.. just know she is there. In my minds eye.. it is going to make things easier on my wife. My wife knows that I don't "love" her mom because of her way of life but I want this to make our life better. Less work for her, and I think... well if we see her every day she will take on our lifestyle of hard work... and become happier healthier and better off and my wifes life will be better. How wrong I am ... it is a constant source of tension between us. And I am mostly to blame.. but small things bother me and I have let them build up and become big things. Stays up all night watching old movies.. then sleeps till 3 or 4 in afternoon. Wife does her laundry, Wife washes her dishes, Wife does her pharmacy, Wife does her grocery shopping. She occupies HALF the house.. for one person. Me wife and daughter occupy the other half. Run two tv's one in bedroom one in downstairs so she never misses a show. Has one bathroom to her self because daughter doesn't want to move grandma's stuff so 3 of us use 1 upstair bathroom. ** my issue** I came from modest Catholic family that never saw my mother or father in anything except clothes.. never saw in night gown. She walks around in leopard skin pajamas all hours of day.. Poor diet of donuts, candy, coffee and diet pop.. and wonders why she doesn't feel well. Constantly complains about her health but does nothing to change it. I have asked... nothing changes... I got upset (I was wrong) and said things to wife. I know that my wife loves her mom.. and if I put myself in her shoes.. and this was my mom.. I would probably protect her just like she does. But my point is that my mom would not put us in this situation. What do I do??? Just swallow hard.. make the best of it??? Speak to MIL personally??? I love my wife... but this is killing us and we are now ... or at least I am.. a prisoner in my own home. Lots more to the story... but these are the bullet points
I loved learning about giving a choice when my kids were little. If they did not want to come inside from playing (and it was time), I gave a 10 min. warning. Then, said 'we are going in now. You have a choice of walking in or being carried.'
I also offered my aunt a choice, after discussing it all with my husband. We could move her into assisted living, or she could come live with us in Maine, or she could stay with us for 2 weeks and then decide. She was not going to live alone or drive again. Doc agreed and told her so.
Good luck, God bless, and let us know how you are doing.
Al
Welcome to this site, my perception is the following:
You are a good man and you’re one of those nowadays rare people that understands what love and commitment is.
You’re very responsible.
Because you’re so disciplined with yourself, your business, your life and your family it is hard, very hard for you to understand and accept a different modus vivendi...specially when it is in front of you every day, in your own home.
You’ve NOT failed supporting and being a good partner to your wife, you’re simply HUMAN.
Now the issue is, I get that after you had an argument with your wife because you finally said all that you were keeping inside, now you’ve calmed down and you can see that you didn’t mean to hurt your wife and you want to be more compassionate, and that’s very noble of you. Yet, realistically the truth of the matter is that the situation does bother you, not because you’re mean or selfish, it simply bothers you...so what will likely happen is that you’ll keep accumulating the resentment inside until you “share it again” with your wife in not a calmed way or until you start feeling ill to come back home and depressed.
I’m not being negative, just realistic.
Now, I think you need to realize that the following WILL NOT change: Your mother in law and her ways, won’t change, period. Your wife’s feelings, and her ways towards your MIL will not change either. Your MIL’s health will at some point decline more because of age or illness and the situation might actually be worse...or maybe better, because she’ll be less active, but more depending on your wife.
So, what can you do?
Since you guys allowed the situation to become what it is (there was NO need for your MIL to “own” half of the house, and there were NO “rules” established on day 1, and you guys developed very bad habits as a family..doing all her chores, etc), now you need to start doing what you should have done at the beginning, but now it’ll be MUCH harder.
Step 1, is to talk to your wife. Not fighting, not blaming, but also not acting as if YOU are guilty of a lack of heart, because trust me, you are very generous and a good partner Kandula. Talk as a TEAM.
Talk to her just to make her see how you feel, not apologizing for how you feel, just making her really see how certain things affect you, how you feel uncomfortable and like you said like a prisoner in your own house. I don’t think you can “kick her out” like someone said, your wife would feel really bad and your marriage would,suffer anyway.
But you can start building new dynamics. An example could be, your wife can tell your MIL that she’s not been feeling well, she’s too tired and so she wants to try cutting down on tasks after work, therefore she wants to “show her” how to use the washing machine and dryer so she can do her laundry. Now, her groceries, I guess you buy them while shopping for the family too, right? Are you paying for her groceries? If not, I don’t see the issue, because it’s no more effort, right? As to what to buy for her, well, I’d suggest to your wife to go with her to see her doctor next time, and ask him/her to strongly suggest she changes her diet, then you will have something to use as an excuse not to buy her candy, donuts, etc. And she could also try cutting down on unhealthy things, no donuts, because you guys forgot.
Her walking wearing her nightgown around the house, I can totally agree it is not proper and I’d never do that myself, BUT I don’t think you can change that, not even a conversation will fix that because your MIL and wife will get hurt and really I don’t think it is worth it.
So what I’m trying to say is take the behaviors that are bothersome one by one and discuss them with your wife in that conversation but not complaining, sharing with her ideas for SOLUTIONS, as that’s what a good partner does! And also, what a good listening partner does (your wife) is to really pay attention and not dismiss how you’re feeling, so MAKE SURE Kandula that your wife is clear that this is affecting you, deeply, so she understands that action is needed, not because you’re pushing her against a wall of no,choice and asking her not to care for your MIL, but because you’re asking her to,work as a team to fix a situation that got out of control, and you two seem to know how to apply control in life, time to put your skills to great use!
Lastly, the best solution, if you’re able and have the means, would be to buy a house that has a MIL separate place, so she can be completely in her space and you in yours and have your sanity back! Or Assisted Living. That’d really be ideal. If you can, consider it and talk about it with your wife.
Good luck Kandula, and truly my admiration for being an excellent husband and partner for your wife!
Ps. Do you have a single brother in his mid 40s or early 50s? Lollol just kidding. A little humor gets us caregivers through life!! :)
MIL should have 1/4 of house not 1/2 so draw some lines - she has a bedroom TV so that is hers exclusively but living room TV is collective so majority rules & she can go to her room to watch something there - put a lock on a cupboard in kitchen for the pop, chips, cookies & those who have done their chores get them or even better stop buying them at all -
MIL will fight this because basically she is living her dream life ... she has food of her choice appear without her effort, her laundry is done without her effort, her room is cleaned [I bet the sheets are even changed for her too] without her effort, she has a choice or TV to watch whenever & wherever she wants - notice how often I wrote "without her effort" because your wife is now her personal servant [with guilt baggage so won't quit] - even with some health issues she could be doing something like folding laundry for all but where is there anything to incentivise her to to get up off her butt & help
Have your wife read what many have written here to open her eyes too - she has become an enabler to her mother's unhealthy life style & this is not a good example for your daughter either - you both are buying unhealthy foods regularly so it might be time for all 4 of you to look at your diets because moderation of 'treats' doesn't seem to work so eat off what you have & DON'T BUY ANYMORE CRAPPY FOOD - DH & I buy chips ... 1 medium bag for 3 to 4 weeks because we don't binge them but put a small amount in a small bowl with 1 trip to bag a day - you're right that diet makes me feel ill just reading about it much less having it
It is time for you and wife to join hands and figure out who wants what, I disagree with the poster that said your wife's feelings towards her mom will never change, when a woman comes from a dysfunctional family into a loving, understanding marriage, feelings can change. Your wife needs to know you've got her back and are willing to do whatever it takes to protect her and your child. This will help your wife find her balance with her mother. MIL being ill or not doesn't really matter, inappropriate unacceptable behavior is just that. Gather your daughter and wife under your arms and figure out what to do with this spoiled self centered person you brought into your home. NOT easy but, very doable. If you have to sell the family home, so be it, no sacrifice can be as big as the one you are all making now. God bless you for trying to do right by your MIL, remember God is no respector of persons, she can contribute to the overall well-being of the family, ie helping around the house, doing her fair share or she gets a new address, PERIOD. Emotionally healthy, caring families all work to the good of the entire family, can you say she does that? There is your answer.
I would also suggest you make up your mind to chat with your wife over next steps of assistance for her Mother and to see the movie, PAUL:AN APOSTLE OF CHRIST. Your mother is probably not as bad as the Roman Centurians and THE PRAETORIAN GUARDS assigned his day to day care. The movie is out also by the way. FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE! Inner spirits are at the real root of the problem so also GO WITHIN for spiritual not religious answers that will not fail you in this type of living! Dr Coppertino
P.S. TAKE A VACATION!
I married my husband while he was caring for his mother with Alzheimer's. At one point I had hurt my knee badly and he was caring for me, and Mom was angry that he didn't pay her attention. He gently told her more for my sake than her's that I was his wife and I come first. He will come when he is done caring for his wife (mind you she was not in danger and didn't need any medical or other care at the moment). It really solidified our friendship and marriage. MIL didn't remember it, so what, but I did and it helped me know how important our marriage was to him. It also gave me more understanding for the poor dear. Your wife is in charge of setting her Mom straight. You are in charge of putting wife first, then daughter before all others. Praying for you!
The children of narcissistic parents either cave in to their parents wishes and whims (your wife) or rebel against it (me). To me, my mother had NO right to feel superior to or more entitled than anyone. She came from a large, poor family from North Dakota but grew up with illusions of grandeur. Sound familiar?
The only way to correct your "mistake" of bringing her in to your home is to take her out of your home.
You can talk with your wife (hopefully) and explain how you can see how she (your wife) is run into the ground, how tired she looks, how you believe it's caused by doing too much for her mom and that you're worried about her health, now and in the future. Present caregiving her mother as a detriment to your wife's health.
Do some research on-line first, so you can present your wife with other living options for her mom. You must get her to see the need for her mother to leave. Explain that you're very stressed that she will loose her health and you will be going to a counselor. Invite her along that she can "help" you feel better.
If you present it to her that you're worried about the toll it will take on HER (your wife) then you've deferred the blame off you.
And it's TRUE.....up to 40% of caregivers DIE while taking care of loved ones! Tell her you want her to be with you for many years to come and that you would be broken hearted if anything happened to her BECAUSE she was working so hard to take care of her mother.
Maybe you both could tour a couple of facilities then, with a UNITED front, approach MIL that she needs more than you can give her and drive her to see the facilities. Present it WITHOUT ANY OPTIONS!!! She HAS to move for your wife's health.
Independent Living is another option if she's fully capable.
You, sir, have to strengthen your backbone and realize that everything you've worked for in your marriage will crash and burn if this situation goes farther.
Do you want to be single in a few years? Then do nothing.
The only solution is to have her move. I know it seems mean and crewel but it's a matter of life and death of your marriage. Get over the guilt and be free to be the happy little family you were meant to be.
Just my 2 pesos.
2 Corinthians 3:10-12. "For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread."
This is a different application and will be hard to implement, and a perceived obligation by your wife to her mother may be driving your wife's behavior. I have had to address these issues in yet another form and found it worked by firmly by laying out the reasons for and the conditions of my decisions. Some people are great at "guiling" others for a perceived benefit and will continue as long as they are accommodated. STOP!
You first have to reach agreement with your wife, for as the Scripture asks; “Can two walk together unless they are agreed?" Amos 3:1
You will dissolve into despair if you do not act. Love has its limits and will be compromised if you cannot resolve your conflicts.
The final aspect that you have not addressed is that you may want to surrender to this situation and emotionally withdraw; but that is not your style. You are a decision maker; i.e. you are a businessman. Take charge and reclaim your position as the “head of your home”. When you lift the burden of guilt from your wife by taking responsibility, you will be honoring your marriage vows. Remember, the husband and the wife “leave” their family and become joined together. Protect her and your family. (Matthew 19:5-6)
Yes. It nearly cost me my marriage when I put down some firm boundaries and refused to provide direct care for my MIL after she assaulted me, yet, my husband blamed ME for his mother ATTACKING ME. I filed a police report, mailed her estate the bill, and MOVED OUT.
When my husband threatened to divorce me, I told him to go ahead. I was not going to live anywhere where someone was allowed to hit me. Losing his relationship with me on a daily basis gave him a reality check. My reality was thatI did not wish to be a FT caregiver for someone who didn’t like or approve of me. I returned to my career and started plotting financial independence in case the marriage failed. I built a seperate life and support system. I stopped being a “good wife”.
It was the respect and boundary that HE could respect. After my MIL died, my spouse has tried to get a foothold on my independence, but that isn't going to happen. I remember he took his mother’s side...and left me financially compromised and emotionally neglected. I will remain financially secure and separate, and although I am supportive of the household expenses and him, in general, I learned from the experience that I am not valued as a family member by his children or extended family.
I faithfully completed the tour. But I have much reduced expectations of my spouse and I value the survival of the marriage less than the survival of the friendship. In fact, I want out of the marriage. I did my job. Stepping over his kids to do it, while being sick myself, struggling to keep my job. My generosity has been sorely challenged...and 16 months have passed since her death.
Now it is like NOW he wants my help resolving the estate issues, and wants me to pay for it. Nope. I am DONE.
I have nowhere been through what you have but I have been disrespected by my ex-husband. That is why I lost respect for him then finally got a divorce after 35 years! (The (untrue) accusations of cheating for 15 years didn't help either.)
It's sad to find out that you aren't respected and that you don't mean as much to them as they do to you. Sad that we wasted our time.
At least I've got a good man now. Hopefully you will too.
So sorry for such a hard experience. But can I ask, why are you still married?
I’m a pro-marriage person. I believe in loyalty and commitment, but when there’s nothing, there’s nothing.
I know you said you want out of the marriage, but if all is lost -and it sounds lost to me-, what’s stopping you?
You’ve the right to fully claim your life back!
I strongly urge you to get marriage counseling with your wife. The health of your marriage if of utmost importance. If she resists, try to express that it is out of your desire to love her & to value the relationship, not about changing her or correcting her.
My MIL has lived with us for 11 years, and like you I regret letting it happen. But it's nothing compared to what you're dealing with.
For many years my wife played the difficult role of being in the middle between me and her mother. But in recent years she has also become fed up with her mom. I am very thankful that our marriage endured and thrived even under the circumstances.
It is my sincere hope that you and your wife will persevere and overcome this trial.
Please, find a way to separate your family life from hers? No longer allow MIL to take such advantage of all of you. No one lives for free. Your MIL has some money which should be spent providing her needs while still giving her some spending cash for fun. Calmly explain to her that the dysfunctional life you are all living is not acceptable. Although you will continue to provide her a living space, she must show you and your wife the proper respect. If she cannot muster up such respect for the three of you, tell her she is not a prisoner in your home. Hand her a phone book where she can contact a Realtor and move to a separate location. Always remain calm and factual when talking with her. I disagree with others in this space. YOU, not your wife, should be the one to tell her. You should deliver this message privately. Do not gang up on MIL. Do not blame. MIL will get used to it. Just get moving on the changes. In a few short weeks your lives will come to a better place.