My dad is bedridden, full care, but has retained his mental faculties. Mom had a stroke 6 weeks ago and is now home. She is physically strong but confused about everything. (cannot prepare food, use a phone, etc) I lived there for 6 weeks, and have arranged care 4 days a week during the day and now have moved back to my home and returned to work.
They really are not safe and need 24-hour care. They have the finances to pay for in home care, but dad does not want to pay. They have refused POA, and he insists they are fine alone. We have been arguing about this daily for 4 weeks and he is very stubborn. I feel guilty leaving, but I should not have to give up my life and job, when they are able to pay for care. Is there a way to force them to pay for in home care? They do not qualify for Medi-Cal.
I didn't have to force them as the situation eventually forced them. When the fire department started refusing to come out and said they needed to find a different situation, they finally did it.
When someone is so stubborn they are willing to put the life of their loved one (your mother in this case) and their own life in danger, there is nothing you can do. Especially as their child as they always believe they know better because they are your parent.
Social services can help as they can be more direct about the consequences of their decisions. Whatever you do, don't give in and start caring for them. It will be a 24-hour job and become totally dependent on you.
I am happy to hear this. The only way to deal with the stubbornness is to just speak plainly and tell the senior exactly what's going to happen if it continues.
It is hard for people to give up control of their lives and to allow hired help to come and do the things they've always done for themselves.
It's certainly easier on a person when they can stay in their own home and not be put in a care facility. I've done in-home caregiving for almost 25 years. I became like family to clients who were among the most stubborn to accept help in the beginning.
What I found is the best bet for most people in need of round-the-clock care is to hire two caregivers who split the week. Or one who will work weekdays and one on the weekends.
Try looking on care websites. If your parents have day help you can also hire someone for 'Sleep Duty' and it's less expensive than what you'd be paying the regular caregivers.
'Sleep Duty' is a person who comes in to stay after hours. They pretty much are just so the elders aren't alone at night. They don't usually do care. They get up a couple times in the overnight and check on the clients or take them to the bathroom. That's about it.
He looked them in the eye and said you need a bunch more help.
Yes. Do that.
Edit: He requires twenty-four *hour* care.
I saw a case similar last year. She was bedridden. He was able, driving, heating meals but with some memory issues until Boom he falls & # hip. Full delerium in hospital, relatives called. They disclose the Mom is at home, left unattended - panic ensues.
Call to Human Services (our APS). Mom taken into emergency NH care. Emergency Guardianship applied for. Dad discharged to rehab. Then either home (if able) or into care also.
Was a sh*tstorm basically. He was confused, she was unable & those adult kids clueless.
But this OP has the brains & strength!
Best of luck (((hugs)))
Explain to them what APS is and that they are at-risk vulnerable adults. If they continue to be stubborn about it, the state will place them both in a nursing home against their will. They will go ahead and do this whether they agree to it or not and there will be nothing you or anyone else will be able to do about it.
Tell your father that care is not going to be free for him or for your mother and that if they want to remain in their home, 24 hour homecare is their only option.
Stubbornness has a way of getting cured when there's a real threat of nursing home placement.
Guardianship would need to be obtained. And that's only if they are deemed incompetent by their local court.
Your dad is of sound mind, so you can't "force" him to do anything, even though he has physical challenges.
However, your mom sounds like she is not of sound mind, and your dad is not physically able to provide care for her.
What you can do is call Adult Protective Services and have them come to the home and do an independent assessment of the situation. If they find that mom is not receiving adequate care and supervision, and that dad is incapable of providing it, they will likely offer dad two choices. 1) Put mom in a facility or 2) Pay for in home care, since he is not physically capable of providing it.
If, on the contrary, APS deems they are both capable to function and/or make decisions on their own, then go about your life as usual. You should not have to sacrifice your job or your nuclear family because they make bad decisions.
If the father is of sound mind his daughter cannot force him to do anything, but APS can and will.
Even if he is considered of sound mind he is a bedridden invalid. That makes him an at-risk vulnerable adult. They can force him into care.
They can put his wife into a care facility as well. She is not of sound mind. Their care needs cannot be met by part-time caregivers a few days a week coming in.
The OP needs to level with the father and tell him plainly that this kind "stubbornness" often results in nursing home placement. This will very likely bring him around and make him receptive to the idea of having 24 hour homecare.
Here's the thing. The father doesn't get to choose what he's willing to pay for. None of us do.
You nor I get to choose what bills we pay either. If I choose to say no on the electric bill, the lights get shut off. Or choose to say no to the gas bill, they turn it off.
Here's what the father can choose to pay for.
Either pay the money for live-in care to stay in your home,
or you pay it to a nursing home.
Those are the choices.
sending lots of compassion from me, to you (and your parents).
it’s verrry frustrating/exhausting/angering/worrying, when one clearly sees LOs need help (and possible solutions to make life easier, are X, Y, Z)…but the LOs fight us, every step of the way.
a friend of mine managed to convince her mother to get 24-hour in-home care by saying, “Dear mother, don’t you want me to sleep at night? I lie awake every night worrying about you. I go to work the next day, totally exhausted.”
another friend convinced her mother by getting someone else to convince her of in-home care. (many parents don’t want to listen to their adult children).
a side-note on in-home care…if possible, it’s good to check that the hired people are good, honest people (sometimes one can only realize the truth after they’ve worked some time, caring for the LOs).
one needs luck, perseverance, in finding good, caring, trustworthy caregivers.
I agree with calling APS for a visit. Someone outside of the family can be more convincing.
You deserve to have a life! Just because Dad assumed you would drop everything to take care of them, doesn't mean you are obligated. That assumption is old-fashioned and not realistic even if he could afford to support 2 households. It doesn't mean you are capable of or willing to doing it.
Best of luck!
I'd have to honor their decision to elect not to get care if at least one of them were of legally sound mind. Which sounds like the situation presently but may not be relatively soon.
I'd have a talk with them.
My Mom always said," I don't need anyone". I ignored her and hired someone I really liked that I felt was a good fit, and eventually they both fell in love with each other. My mother used to say she's "like a good friend"!
At the least hint of an emergency, call 911. And yes, call Adult Protective Services and their local Area Agency on Aging tomorrow.
The conversation you need to be having with dad is "If you don't get yourself an eldercare attorney, A POA and the proper in home care for you both, the state of (fill in the blank) will gain guardianship and take ALL of your assets and put you in a home of THEIR choice. You can do this the hard way or the easy way, Dad. Your choice".
Hopefully APS will pay them a visit asap, see what's going on and determine they need placement, BOTH of them, or at least 24/7 in home care.
Barring such a determination from APS, you'd have to wait for a crisis to happen to one or both parents where they're sent to the ER and then rehab, where rehab refuses to release them back to independent living. That's another way a stubborn elder gets forced into managed care or into getting in-home care against their will. Or they're hospitalized and you let the social worker know they're an 'unsafe discharge' and require placement, at which time the SW would get busy finding them a spot in residential care.
Wishing you the best of luck with a very difficult situation. Sending you a hug and a prayer this all works out.