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Careisgiving you put forward a really valid point there. I AM better aware of what the future holds for me i.e. after caregiving...in fact I am damned certain I know a lot more than most of my peers. All they see is me sitting on my arse watching TV and chatting to Mum which is the least of the things I do. They are ignorant of the day to day issues that everyone would do for themselves but as a caregiver you do twice over. Just the toiletting alone can take hours out of my day, the personal hygiene of washing her cleaning teeth for her all take time out of a day sometimes minutes ...on bad days hours. Then count how many hours of continuous sleep you get of a night - if I am lucky ...2. Don't even think about the washing and ironing and changing sheets etc. Let alone the ordering of products so that there is a constant stock of them for your Mum.

When I was on a vent to someone I know but don't know terribly well I suddenly realised how clueless they actually were....she said well you have it easy really your Mum is no bother is she - you can't have much to do, just wiping a bottom doesn't take long!.

Well I didn't blow a gasket I just explained to her that wiping a bottom was the easy bit ensuring all the other parts of the genitalia were clean and creamed with a cream that has to be rubbed in was not so easy especially when you have to lay the person on the bed carefully wash and dry the area and then apply the barrier cream and this PERSON is YOUR MUM. Sorry to be so graphic but her face was a picture ....I thought she was going to throw up. She hadn't considered incontinence at all or the effect it has on very tender very fragile flesh.

The she started asking more questions. I suspect that when the time comes she wont care give but like many of you sensible ones has cared and ensured that professionals do the job!!!!!
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If I hear one more time "Oh, you're just a caregiver...So...What do you do all day long?" - my head will explode. It's the "just" that throws me nearly off over the edge. When I hear "just", I hear "you have no skills...no value...no intelligence." I immediately reply with "Hmm...So...you're just a stay-at-home mother...What do you DO ALL DAY?!" The look of insult on the mother's face makes me chuckle. I then follow-up "So, how does it feel when someone passes judgement on your life? The only difference between you and me is that my child - is 74 years old - but - my 'child' will never walk again...she'll never feed herself again...she'll never be able to bathe, to dress, to feed herself, to use the toilet again...she'll never be able to communicate coherently again...she'll never be able to make friends again...she'll never be able to enjoy the companionship of her husband again...she'll never be 'healthy' again and her last months...years will be filled with nothing but physical and emotional pain and this and that medical issues...she's the last surviving member of her family and has no one to discuss her childhood memories with before she passes on to the other side...she misses her own parents as her source of comfort from the fear of the unknown when she does crossover...So, please...keep your judgements to yourself because if you're blessed to have a 'healthy' and able-bodied child, then you can never - ever - understand my stresses of watching my 'child' decline and not be able to anything about it - and cry often in silence because I'm so tired of seeing my 'child' suffer. You can never understand how much my heart aches for my 'child's' poor and no quality of life." Whenever I say this, the crickets are chirping loudly - because what I've said is my truth. :-)
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Careisgiving: Your response should be "I am the one-woman show here! What don't you understand? !?!,!?!?!"
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I grew as the only child. I'll say the biggest thing I've learned from caregiving is mobility challenges the aging face. My mother has been bedridden for the last few years. I have a device installed in my crappy car that runs on the car battery and transfers her from the wheelchair into the passenger seat so I can take her once a week. I get irritated at businesses that don't offer wheelchair accessibility services. I wasn't insensitive to this before, I just have a greater awareness of ease of convenience for this feature. Also, mobility challenges when dealing with, well, going to the bathroom! It's not pretty, folks, and I know you all know what I'm talking about. Since caregiving, I'm a little bit more thoughtful when I see an elderly person struggle to reach that item on the shelf in the grocery store. I'm not trying to be martyr for the elderly. I'm just more aware of their day-to-day struggles.
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careisgiving: Where my late mother had to go to the doctor's (the next town over from her) was very poor in the elder care category! You had to be practically mean and obnoxious (which I am neither) to get the doctor to provide proper care for your LO. My mother's doctor would actually ask her "so when is your daughter due to arrive?" As I lived 400 miles away, the doctor knew when I showed up that she would have "to get on her game." I understand your troubles with your mom-believe me, I get it! I feel for you!
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I think the one thing I have become is a bloody nightmare when anyone doesn't see what we need to function at base level. I no longer say its alright I can manage - because I bloody well shouldn't have to 'just manage'

I now lock the wheelchair and go in and ask for help - it hasn't been refused yet - I suspect the look on my face says - make my day - just try and say no here!

I am no grand campaigner for rights for the elderly - I still believe in assisted suicide and I still believe in euthanasia FOR ME not for anyone else. But that said if you want to live then you have the basic human right to have people support that not hinder it by creating steps where ramps would do and those stupid lipped doors that look flat till you nearly tip someone out of the wheelchair when you realise they aren't. Sidewalks / pavements that have broken slabs in them so you can't function safely. Car parks that have shingle on them - ever tried pushing a chair over that!

When the counter is to high for them to even see the person in the wheelchair, when people talk to you and ask you how the person in the chair is I always say - ask her - she isn't deaf and she can speak - they might not get a coherent answer but they will get an answer.

There are an infinite number of examples all of which we face as caregivers but lets not give up people lets keep on and on chipping away - oh by the way I forgot chipping away was a caregiving job too!!!!!!!
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PhoenixDaughter: Rock on! Excellent post! Kudos to you! Big shout outs!!!!!
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PhoenixDaughter: I chip away. I mean I really don't have to be on this site any longer as my late mother has left this mortal world. However, I am the type of person who wants to help individuals so I consider it vital to continue posting on this site, e.g. someone might be having a REALLY HORRIFIC DAY and I MAY, JUST MAY be able to put a smile on their face for a minute or two.
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I'm so grateful for this post. WE ARE THE PIONEERS for this; no generation before us lived this long; if they did, they were taken in by one unfortunate son or daughter and the female didn't have a job or quit, etc. to care for the loved one. AND they didn't have the fast pace schedule we have today, kids activities, career, exercise classes, job-travel, pressure to build wealth and pay bills -- cause now we know how expensive care is, expensive medicines and the reality that social security and a little savings just wont cut it.

This site has been a godsend t to my mental health and what I'm going through with my mother (93). Her physical health is great (no meds) but her mental health is shot. I'm her only contact and she fights me on everything. She is committed to die in her house. Everytime a crisis occurs its my fault. We have no relationship anymore.

I look in the mirror or at my husband every day; yes every day and beg that I don't want to be this way or live like mom. I tell anyone who will listen (including my children - though they dismiss and dont' want to hear it) to please put me in residential care whether I want it or not and do it sooner than later -- at the first sign of craziness. My husband and I both have longterm care. My husband's a saint; because mom has made the last 4 yrs of our life hell and sucked most of the joy for doing things or experiencing joy awful. I resent her. I resent my brother for not helping. I'm jealous of friends who's parents go to residential care or accept care in their home. I dislike myself for feeling this way and feeling like an uncaring daughter (which I have to hide and put on a good face to family and friends).

I wish there were a pharma cocktail that you could get from the doctor and put yourself out of your own misery "at your choosing". I pray that "die with dignity" orr "right to die" becomes law in every state and you and your dr/family can make those loving decisions in the end without fear, stigma or legal repercussion."

I resent this burden I feel with worrying about my mom everyday, every time the phone rings, and the next shoe to drop. My parents wrote a DPOA that is impossible to enforce because it requires a doctor to write incompetency and there are absolutely no doctors willing to do it; they pass it off to a psyche eval which mom refuses. She had a stroke and I still couldn't get a psyche evaluation. The med system is a mess for elders. Their only job is to stabilize (with a bunch of pills) and discharge them as quickly as possible so the elder doesn't die "on their watch" and cause a "ding" on the hospital record.

Lets all live a full, loving, joyful life.
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Sunflo, every word you wrote is true.
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I had a sudden realization the other day when I was getting out of my car at the grocery store. I thought about what if a terrorist started shooting. And I realized I didn't care if one shot me. And I'm not even depressed. After going through aging with my father, then my mother -- both having dementia -- I realize there are worse things than getting shot. I might feel different if I was actually looking at the gun pointed my way, but it made me realize that caregiving has taken away the enjoyment of my golden years. What is going on is not right or fair... but no one ever said life was right or fair.
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Sunflo: I'm so glad that you posted here because I was able to view my post that I had written a while back. I consider this a volunteer job, because my 40 year plus career is well behind me. I love and look forward to advising every minute of every day! You're right, Sunflo! No one else before us has ever done caregiving as we know it to be today. I agree about the reality of financial burdens and how you MUST set in place long-term care for yourself! We have long-term care set up for ourselves. Glad you do as well. My husband was commenting about a cane he saw on tv and I said "don't you get one of those for me just yet!" (I'll turn 70 in January.)
I'm so sorry to hear of the decline in your mother's mind. The "committed to die in her own house" was my mother's thought, too, though her mind was okay-her body, not so much! For the last part of her life as she demanded to live alone in her own home, that left me no choice but to leave my life and home and move in with her 400 miles away! Are you sure you're not me? OMG...the brother who didn't/doesn't help sounds identical to my situation. I tell my daughter that I won't be/I refuse to be such a problem as I age! My mother said "I'm so glad I stayed in my own home." I said "well, I'm not and now you've lost your ability to choose"...she didn't like me moving in with her....well, too bad because my late mother was legally blind, had CHF, A-fib, macular degeneration, incontinence, loss of hearing, olfactory and vision sense, loss of bowel control and blood pressure of 60 over 40...so "I can't have you living alone," I told her! Love your pharma cocktail idea and I know and am sorry that your mother is putting you through this! DO NOT beat yourself up over it...you're doing a miraculous job, even though I wish you didn't have to go through this. Love your comments about elder care...or the lack there of, rather! My late mother was in the rehab unit of an NH...they had a family meeting (my brother had finally arrived for his 7 day stint; I had already been there for 6 months) and they said to my mother "maam, you're too well to stay here." They got it wrong...dead wrong, literally...less than 48 hrs later at the NH my late mother had a stroke there! She later deceased at the hospital. Come back on here to unburden, please Sunflo, any time.
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Sunflo: I meant to add BIG SHOUT OUTS to your husband for carrying on like such a trouper/saint! My husband had to carry on at our home by himself...was bitten badly by a cat we had taken in a few yrs back...really bad story...no time right now to go down that road, but phew!
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JessieBelle: The possible terrorist story...oh, my, I had the same thought when I had to move 400 miles away into my mother's home...I was like "I hope one just does me in right now...just get it over with...I'm done." Well said, Jessie!
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Sunflo & Llama, what you wrote made me think of why things are so difficult this generation. In the olden times, people usually did stay with family if they lived past the age of being able to take care of themselves. This didn't happen so much in those days. The elder generation now still have their roots in the older days, where people rarely lived much beyond 70 and women stayed at home. But now that half of the people are living past 80 and nearly 30% are living past 90, the idea of the family caregiver is becoming strained. Many people start needing help when they are in the 80s -- first one parent, then another. Twenty years can pass before caregiving duties are over.

Often someone, usually a daughter, leaves her job, thinking she'll return in a couple of years. It doesn't go like that anymore. People now can live 10-20 years with such poor health that they can't care for themselves. But still they want to be home with family caring for them.

The future will probably be different for caregiving because people will not be so rooted in past traditions. The main question will be how to prepare enough facilities that don't cost so much. It would be kind of cool if there were elder villages here and there, providing that they didn't cost an arm and leg to live there. Getting old in the US cost more than many or most people can afford.
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08/26/16.... I remember my Dad [94] saying that he never thought he and my Mom would live this long. If it wasn't for modern medicine Dad's heart attack would have taken him, and my Mom's high blood pressure would have taken her many years ago [she passed at 98].
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I find myself trying to pull things together and plan better than my mother did while wondering if I will live as long as my dad has lived although his quality of life has been very low these past few years. I'm trying to follow his example of being realistic, telling others what they need to know about financial and other things.

My wife and I have yet to choose who is going to be our medical and durable POA. However, I do find myself planning my own funeral, i.e. songs plus some things that I don't want said during my funeral service and some things I want on my grave site which is already purchased. Sort of morbid to be planning your own funeral at 59, but I am.

I think my experience with my mother and now with my dad has motivated my sons to wonder what we want down through the years; where important information is like in the safety deposit boxes that we have already given them the right of access to. I've told them which safety deposit box the deeds to our cemetery plots are, where my term life insurance policy is; and where our wills are on file plus where the keys for the safety deposit boxes are. I will give them other important information about our various accounts, credit cards, automatic payments of various monthly bills which will require them having my master password to everything that I have in a secure place.

My wife and I got a late start in marriage and having children. Thus, ours are about to finish graduate school. My dad married a bit late as well, but he was still working when I finished graduate school and not on disability like I am. I doubt that my wife and I will be as well off in old age as them, but we should be ok. We are soon going to get joint long term care insurance.

One thing being mom's advocate, medical and durable POA motivated me to do was deal with some family of origin issues. This has been true with dad's decline too, but not like with my mother's.
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I'm a bit surprised that this thread took a political turn midway and after reading some of those posts I decided to weigh in..............

I am a college grad and former teacher.
I am a widowed business owner and employ 31 people.
Believe me I know hard work and commitment.
I am a devoted Christian.
I love my country.
I am proudly voting for Donald Trump.
Please.............don't buy into media who create their own reality from sound bites - media who characterize Trump supporters as uneducated fools.
Sorry folks - they are so wrong.
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8/26/2016 3:35 p.m.PDT.
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I never though my stance on caregiving would change, but it has. My own parents both looked after their parents, and we, my 5 siblings and I, collectively looked after ours until their death. I was proud to take care of my folks, they were joyful, loving and good natured, they appreciated everything we ever did for them, and they both died of terrible diseases, my Father PSP, and my Mother had Uterine Cancer that had metastasized to her pelvic bones, so very painful. I know that I am an exception, as I have 5 close siblings, who all felt the same way that I do, and we all took on our strongest roles in caring for them, as well as supported one another in doing so.

But that has all changed for me now. For the past 13 years, my husband's Dad has lived with us and he is a Narcissist. I knew nothing about this, as it was well cover up in the years prior to his coming to live with us. My husband comes from a very dysfunctional family, and I never knew that his 2 siblings would Never step up and help us out, even once and awhile. It took me until coming onto this websitea few years ago, to learn exactly what Narcissistic disorder really is, and why his brother and sister are the way they are. After living through the terrible childhood they endured, I wouldn't step up either. Still and probably because, the've both had been pretty shitty to their parents over the years, and I have never respected nor liked his sibings, and yet somehow my husband escaped becoming cold and callous like they both are, probably because he was the baby and somewhat protected by his Mother, most certainly he was the favored child, the athlete, the golden boy, but even he knew how dysfunctional his family was, but it took until his Dad came to live with us, to put a name to it. Nevertheless, he stuck by his parents, and was a good Son to them over the years.

His Narcissistic father started "grooming" us in the years leading up to his wife's passing. He would Often say, "if anything ever happens to Mother, can I come and live with you?", and of course we said Yes, I mean, what else are you supposed to say, when you understand that your Dad is afraid of living alone, has never really lived alone in his whole life, going from his own parents home into the Navy at 17, right into marrying an older woman with a child, yes, never alone. Caring for our elders was certainly what I was accustom to, and it seemed appropriate at the time.

Now fast forward 13 years of having him in our home, figuring out the puzzle of how this family is so messed up, it didn't take long to learn that the Old Man was behind the dysfunction! Seeing him try to manipulate my husband with money (obligation, fear) and the "what's to become of me, I'm all alone" (guilt), and he's never truly been alone because we've seen to it that he hasn't, not for the 31 years that I've been in this family anyways! We've never frozen him out of our lives as his other 2 kids have, he didn't need to hijack our lives at 43 and 46, just as our youngest was leaving the nest. We never would have abandoned him, but he tried to make it seem like that would happen.

Now that he has tainted my way of how I view him, my feelings for him have changed. I no longer respect him as I once did, and that makes caring for him in our home any longer, continuing to give up oyr lives and our own future is no longer an option for us, not just me, my husband feels this way too, and more so. I have figured out the bigger picture of how he has manipulated our lives, and it's time we change, because he never will.

We are taking back our future, not in any vengeful way, because we will always be there for him, and advocate for him, but we've aged in this 13 year scenario too! My husband has some major back issues and was medically retired from an on the job injury, so is now on a pension. I myself have really bad arthritis and can no longer work. If we don't reclaim what is left of our healthiest years, we may never get to travel, and enjoy our own retirement, as he and his wife so richly did, in part, thanks to my husband and I. My husband helped his parents stay in their home long after he could no longer do the care and maintenance, and now my husband finds himself in the exact same situation, but with his 86 year old Dad living with him! He moved his parents to a nearby apartment, so that they would be close to us, and we spent a lot of time with them. We saw to it that the children spent time with and enjoyed their Grandparents on both sides.

Living with a Narcissist in your home really opens your eyes to all of the little things that add up from the past, and I can see exactly what he did, worming his way into our home when he was perfectly capable of learning to live on his own, with us nearby. We're taking our life back, and will find him suitable housing near us, and we will All get on with our lives in the capacity of which we choose.
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Staceyb - Thanks so much for sharing your story. It's illuminating to see how one's views of caregiving can be affected by the particular situation they're in. I don't want to say I'm glad you got to see both sides, because I'm sure not glad your FIL managed to worm his way into your home and suck up over a decade of your and your husband's lives. But it seems to me that most of the people who have very glowing views of caregiving either never had to do it or did it in a close to ideal situation. It is too easy for someone to insist that everyone should step and take on caregiving for their elderly parents, if they haven't seen the down side, haven't had to cope with a really difficult person or make extensive sacrifices for someone they truly don't love or respect.

I am so glad that you and your mate are taking your lives back and finding other arrangements for your FIL. Kudos to you!
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I totally agree with the sociological analysis put forth above by Sunflo and JessieBelle. Yes, we are pioneers, but not in a good way. More like human experimental subjects. My mother is pretty good mentally but her mobility has been extremely impaired for about the past 8 years. Her balance is so bad she has fallen down even sitting in a chair, or standing still. Mostly, it's extreme muscle atrophy, something she could have attempted to correct many years ago, but chose not to. Wouldn't go to the balance rehab referred by her doctor because she didn't want to make the copayments. Or bother to work on it. My mother also has diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and cardiovascular disease. It's amazing how long people can continue living in such an impaired state that they're incapable of functioning independently. I know I thought when my mother was 80 that she'd live another 2-3 years, 5 at the absolute outside. She's now 85 and no signs of fading out. How can someone in such poor shape live so far beyond their natural lifespan? Happens all the time, apparently.

I too am fighting not to end up like my mother, but my fight at this point involves mostly diet and exercise. Serious exercise that builds muscle and improves balance and stamina, at least an hour per day. I don't have adult children to wait on me and ferry me around, but even if I did I wouldn't put this on them. It is too much to ask someone to put their plans and goals on hold because you can't get in and out of a grocery store on your own steam. I totally hear you, Sunflo, about resenting your mother and your siblings that don't help. I resent my mother for putting me in this position. She would say "Well, I couldn't help getting old." but the truth is she could have done a lot more to remain self-sufficient than she did. And I should not have had to sacrifice my golden years to make hers more manageable.
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Things have changed and that's what so many who aren't caregivers don't understand. I do not want to have my children do what I've done. I hope that I opt for a nursing home and that they visit me when they can but I do not want to have their lives controlled by my decline.

That being said, I don't regret what I've done and am doing - I doubt that I would have made other choices. So it's a puzzle. But times change and situations change. We who've devoted ourselves to caregiving know what it takes and we want the best for our kids. I think that most of us know that providing constant care for us is not in their best interest. This is a great discussion!
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"How has caregiving changed your views of life and aging?"

After 17 years of "looking" after my wife's mother I've come to a few conclusions.

(1) Parents should not put any of their children in this position. Parents should make plans for old age, parents and society should teach this to the young. I don't want my son to EVER be in the position my wife and I are in with her mother.
(2) Modern medicine is letting people live longer but not necessarily with a good quality of life. Having a doctor suggest an 86 year old could start driving again has us baffled.
(3) If we had it to do over again we would get professionals involved very early on.
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Feedup, sometimes parents make decisions for their old age but they don't always work out and perhaps they make the wrong decisions. In my case, my Mom and step-father, at the age of 70 moved to Florida. It was a church community that had step-down programs, such as they could own their own home, then assisted living, then a nursing home in the same community. Problem was they moved 12 hours from me and my one brother and 3 hours from my other brother so they weren't so close by. My step-father had a small stroke that they found out about after he had lost his short-term memory, didn't know where keys, wallet, etc. were. Shortly after that was diagnosed, Mom started losing her short term memory, the beginning of dementia. As has been mentioned before something major had to happen for their circumstances to change in an instant and it did. We decided to bring them "home" where me and my one brother lived. My step-father was left behind because he contracted C-diff and wasn't allowed to leave facility for months. Mom came home with me. Long story short he died in a rehab facility after finally coming home. They moved too far from us children which should of never of happened. I would suggest to anyone to always live close to your kids if you have them as they want to visit them as often as they can. Leaving Mom 12 hours away from me, by herself with Alzheimer's, was not going to happen.
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People in medical positions aren't your friends. They disappear as soon as the loved one passes.

As for aging, still a proponent for Assisted Suicide especially if the alternative is a NH,AL.
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With all due respect to zythr, I don't really think assisted suicide is a meaningful plan, at least not if you have children. By telling your kids that this is your plan, you are effectively (if not intentionally) pressuring them to accept the caregiving role simply to prevent you from taking your own life. I say this from personal experience - a bottle of pills was my mother's alternative to assisted living, and we kids were all so horrified to learn about it that we committed to taking care of her despite not really having the wherewithal to do it, at least not long-term.

In practicality, I can't believe that the plan of assisted suicide generally works out anyway. I think by the time the aging person decides that there's no point going on, they may have already lost the physical or mental capacity to make the decision and carry it out. Unless someone has a terminal diagnosis or is in intractable pain, I think they tend to believe they can get better or at least that they won't get any worse. Very few people want to check out while they still have a decent quality of life, even if that quality of life is being furnished by the sacrifice of their loved ones.
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Those are valid points, but what happens to the older person that either has no kids or has outlived their relatives? AS, should just be an option or choice, not necessarily the loved one would go through with it. AS, in a weird way, beats the older person living in a state of continuing decline, both mental and physical.
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Meant to add, change views on life, yes. Found comfort in sad, somber songs, odd as that may be. Some examples, "Holding Back the Years" Simply Red version and "No Rain" by Blind Melon, knowing Shannon Hoon is dead.
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