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I am so sorry for your struggles. Your daily saga (& stories of what others go through) are what convinced me to hold my ground & not sign up for similar. My Mom is a PITA...pain in the ... Borderline-NPD & early onset. I visit twice a month and take notes each visit. She is a chronic complainer like your Mom, but together enough physically to live alone. No one can handle her. Yells + cusses...change smokes cigars.. Would destroy me mentally-emotionally-physically. Can you get someone to come in for some hours during the week so you & your Hubs can get away? You need self care. Not OK for you to lay your life for all this.. One thing if your elderly parent is mentally sane & kindhearted, but I call BS to having your elderly parent live with you and destroy rest of your days... You are committed to her remaining with you for rest of time?
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eat-pray-love Aug 2022
*chain smokes cigars...not change smokes ;-)
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Sorry that is happening to you. I have delt with that myself. It is embarrassing, and in public makes it worse.
It sounds like she has turned into a child like state. It is common with the elderly. I believe you and your husband are catering to her(inadvertently) which may be creating more of a brat. Not that you are doing it on purpose of course. But some elderly realize they have a captive audience, then turn you into their personal servants.
I have had this happen working in the hospital. I was told this was on me. I'd get in trouble for not managing my time correctly. I had elderly try to get me to be their personal servant, and throw tantrums. So you are not alone.

You are going to have to extinguish the brat behavior. I don't know if the arthritis effects all her joints or she didn't like her feet dangling. But by screaming, she got you to stop and do things another way and cater to her. If you didn't the screaming would get louder. She survived. It wasnt the end of the world. And you now have the foot pedals. So she lived, everybody lived thru that and life moves on.
Your going to have to treat her like a 4 year old having a tantrum. Walk away, ignore the tantrum and quietly say that you will deal with her when she acts appropriately. If your in the middle of something, and she screams ignore her. Keep going. If people come out, they will see she is fine, if you act calm and are ignoring it. If you think you need help look up how to deal with tantrums. And use those suggestions every time without fail. You need to extinguish that behavior. I'm sure there are more ideas online, than what I am mentioning.
It will take tough love. You are not being mean. You are setting boundries. She no longer gets her way. Sometimes things need to get done. Your not taking an hour to do it.
But if you continue down this road, next time she might curse you out, scream louder to make sure neighbors come running, urinate on herself, or fling herself. You have to be the parent here and set limits. She has realized she no longer has the upper hand, and can no longer get you to turn inside out to appease her.

Do not feel guilty. There is nothing wrong setting limits of what behavior you will tolerate. If someone was screaming at me, they would be screaming in an empty room. I bet they would stop, bc there is no audience.
If she ever starts screaming again walk away. Tell her you will deal with it when she is done. If someone comes running to see what is wrong, tell them she is fine and throwing a tantrum. And your waiting till she calms down. She's fine. I would also tell her if she is in the wheel chair she better not fling herself out of it, bc then you will have to call an ambulance to check her out. Then she will stay in the hospital and is not coming home. Period. She hasn't done that yet so you are lucky.
You could tell her next time she is in the wheel chair if she continues to scream you are taking her to the hospital to be checked out. Then she will travel on to a nursing home and isn't coming home. Say it in a low matter of fact voice.

You are not being mean, but are establishing rules where you will not cater 24/7 to her tantrums. Good luck.

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I empathize with you. The character changes are painful and abusive.

First of all, see if you can find a holistic doctor in your state. If your state does not support medical marijuana, then get a second opinion from a different state or an educational hospital in your state. If that is too hard to find, see if you can find a doctor that specializes in pain or sports medicine, depending upon where her arthritis is. You want a doctor, someone who can prescribe drugs. Go for quality, not whomever is first available.

Until you can get the doctor to see her, stop being embarrassed by what she says or does. Make a joke about it (dark humor). Anyone looking at your situation will feel sorry for you....like having a 2 year old that has a temper tantrum at the grocery store; Mother is embarrassed and tries to joke about it, kid doesn't care and everyone feels sorry for the Mother.

Next, realize that the pain is very real for your mother. In addition, because of our complex nervous system, a pain in one spot, say the leg, could really be due to a problem in the lower spine. If your doctor has not ordered xrays, get xrays done. Read what the findings are. You need to understand the diagnosis. If needed, arrange for PT. I have found that PT are the most effective at discussing and getting me to understand pain that is muscle or nerve related.

My personal experience with pain is that under intense pain, I cannot listen, I cannot feel comfortable, I cannot read, I have no patience...in other words, I'm not suitable for human companionship. Lessen the pain, and at least I have a little bit of patience to do what is needed. I do feel sorry for all the drivers on the road when I'm in pain and headed to a doctor's appointment. And yes, I probably do have those mood swings because I'm trying to calm myself down and forget the pain I'm in.

When I was finally told that my mother had severe arthritis (the doctors assumed we both knew...we didn't), I realized that my mother was addicted to prescription pain killers. My Mom is otherwise healthy other than the pain and dementia. Without going into specifics, the cocktail she is on right now is: Tylenol OTC, Alleve OTC, and CDB derived from hemp. The CBD is systemic, therefore, it takes about a month to actually see the results. She needs all 3. If the dosage of 1 is reduced, she can tell within 4 days. The pain is not gone, it is manageable. Everything is in pill form. It was a little bit of a stroke of luck because now that she is in MC, they are able to administer the correct dosage because it is a pill. Some people use the CBD with THC. In my case, if we did anything with THC, our chances of getting her into managed care was nil, even with a doctor's permission. I suspect this situation varies by state.

When the pain became manageable, her mood swings decreased, however, it became very evident that she was suffering from dementia.

I would suggest you try and see if you can get a second opinion or get a pain management specialist to see her. Her pain is real and it is up to you to solve the puzzle to get her pain under control. There is no "silver bullet".

My prayers are with you.
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Maybe she watched the James K episode of "My 600 Lb Life"?
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When my mom was living and seemed to present childish behavior like not listening to reason, or complain I took a page from my younger cousins who spoke to their mom by her 1st name.
I explained to my mom that the only way we could be adult to adult during difficult times was to speak to each other adult to adult, therefore I use her given name and nicknames until we were back on a parent child plain.
It worked!!!!
I would also remind your mother that she is behaving in the manner of a child whom she catered and spoiled, however, you, your husband and she are Now adults and deserve the respect and consideration of your adulthood.
Also, FIND another doctor -- no one deserves to be in pain but then again there are many who find a hangnail painful and take to their beds for days moaning.
Finding a doctor who specializes in arthritis and as well as pain is a must. PCP are too overwhelmed to go beyond the standard practice no matter how much you love them. Also, I hope you are present during these appointments to let the PCP know what is going on and the effects of poor pain management has on your well being as well as hers.
I attended most visits with my mom and now I attend the visits with my sister to her PCP and specialists. I often review her patient portals to insure her medications are up to date on all portals, as well as medical issues. Don't forget that OTC meds MUST be listed all vitamins, minerals, and heralded cure alls.
If the data is missing from one of the doctors how can she be treated properly.
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NewEnglander: Perhaps your mother needs to change her place of residence to a managed care facility.
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As caregivers, you and your husband need to take breaks from caregiving. You are completely and understandably burned out. Connect with a local social worker to find out what your mother and your options are (as caregivers). She may be eligible for in-home aides. While you take a vacation, she might be eligible to go to a senior care facility. Take all the help you can get. Also, have a plan B if her health declines to the point where you and your husband are no longer able to care for her sufficiently. At that point she may need to go to a skilled nursing facility which will have the equipment and skills necessary to care for her. Much will depend on her finances. The social worker should be able to advise you on what is possible. Please don't feel any guilt about your feelings or what you might have to do. Your responsibility is to make sure she is well cared for. You do not have to be the one to do it.
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Omg your living what I’m living with. I found a great day care for her. She comes home and the negativity starts. She drains me. We retired 2 yrs ago got our RV that we’ve been saving for. Well we’re stuck! What a rut! I’m ready to put her in a home. I will not have this ruin my marriage. She is privileged, spoiled, entitled and has no filter what comes out of her mouth. Nothing is good enough! Hang in there! This is the hardest job I have ever had! I love my mom but I don’t like her at all. Just venting! Try and have a good day. ❤️
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“She is self centered, self absorbed, uncooperative and entitled.” You are saying she was never like this before?
How she raised you is of no consequence at this stage
of her life or yours. If you have a marriage that you value,
get a life with your spouse & make some hard decisions.
If this living arrangement has just been for 2-years, get
a good Home Health Agency involved which has all the
experience in dealing with “situations” such as the one
you are stuck in! Let mom know this is the step you are
taking, before giving her an ultimatum of arranging other
24/7 living arrangements for her. Home Health Agencies
have caregivers who are trained in dealing with these kind
of aging issues and may need to try a variety of caregivers
before one works well with her. Best of luck to you in this
process AND in saving both your sanity AND marriage!!!
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I have not run in to this specific situation with my own parents, but I know others who have. I do wonder -- how would your mother respond if, in a moment of calm, you came to her and said, "Mom, I have a problem and I really need your advice. I'm not sure what to do."

You describe her as a great mother who doted on you. What advice would that mother give you today? Do you think you can still reach that mother if you try? Because sometimes we get so caught up in the frustrations, vulnerabilities and pain of the current situation we can actually forget who we are and what we want for those we love.

Alternatively, if you have not been straight with your Mom about how you and your husband view her behavior or about the actual impact it is having on you, then now would seem to be a good time.

I also second (or third -- lots of folks seems to suggest the same) the idea of not simply taking "no pain medication" for an answer. You might ask for a referral to a pain management clinic for you mother. After years of suffering from chronic pain myself and seeing specialist after specialist with no improvement, my osteopath finally referred me to one -- and they performed a procedure today that was nearly painless and will leave me pain free for the foreseeable future. Standard pain medication is not the only solution to pain management.

I also wonder if a 2nd opinion is in order with regards to her cognitive health. The changes you've described sound extreme and unlike the person you've always known.

Hang in there. I hope your marriage survives this. You sound like a great family going through a terrible crisis.
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EASWOL Aug 2022
This is amazing advice! I'm in a similar situation with my mother and feel things have escalated into a terrible crisis for my husband and I. Thank you for sharing your wisdom!
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You say “I don't know this woman and the loving Mom I had is gone. She is self centered, self absorbed, uncooperative and entitled”. That’s the way she is now, and that’s the person you should deal with now. Keep the happy memories, just don’t mix them up with current reality.
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You are describing exactly how it started with us when we took our 88 y.o. grandma to live with us. The biggest problem there was that dementia was tested, but never diagnosed. I would handled it differently If I would know then that it is that disease well hidden by her. She was outsmarting all tests. It was clearly mid stage when they finally saw it in the hospital head scan a year later. She had head scans before and no one did not see it! It was a nightmare I can tell you. She became a totally different person from the most positive to complaining all the time. Later on the last drop was she asked to turn of the sun as it is too bright. But as with dementia last drop is never the last as it gets even worse…
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3 suggestions:
1 - Referral to a pain specialist - a doctor that specializes in managing pain to get your mom's pain under control.

2 - Get your mom a referral to a geriatric psychiatrist. Seems she has anxiety and "a bit" of control issues. Medications can help with this.

3- If neither of these help, consider if having mom live with you is worth the loss of your sanity. Consider other housing options for her.
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