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Lost - He's only going to Atlanta - leaving tomorrow, returning Tuesday evening. I cannot go because I have no one to care for Romeo. I was able to bring Lucius with me everywhere, like I said all over Europe, planes, trains, automobiles, boats and he was quiet. This little guy is a handful and still in training. If need be, my parents could watch him, but they have their own little dog and Romeo is not used to anyone else handling him, except his trainer who lives in Maryland and I can't get there right now. If I had to go to a hospital or died - I have people in my complex that could help, but not right now. Thanks.
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Hothouseflower Sep 7, 2024
You can board Romeo. Might not be what you would prefer but under the circumstances it is a good option. Your husband might benefit from your support.
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Anyway, my Dad and husband went to Home Depot for something and my Mom is all by herself with her dog upstairs. My husband said he needed to get me a house key because I lost my key, but I could have done that. My husband said don't worry about mom - she can call you or us. I spoke to her and I told her I am down here packing and want to get it over with. I left her alone at night while my Dad was in the hospital and if I had to work, or I was on vacation or died - she'd have to be alone - right? Here I go again. I'm really trying.
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Anxietynacy Sep 7, 2024
Yes Romeo you are right! Mom is going to have to figure out how to be alone unless she wants to go in a facility. Those are really her only 2 choices

Your husband probably wants to take care of you , by getting the key made, that's my husband too, and it's sweet.
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I know - what's wrong with him??? He's in NO condition to go. I'm just beside myself!
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Anxietynacy Sep 7, 2024
I hear ya , people are just so stubborn, especially some men. My husband woke up with an infected tooth this morning, trying to get him to call his dentist get a script for antibiotics for the weekend but NOPE. He goes regularly to the dentist so it's not like he doesn't have one.

Sometimes you have to encourage and encourage, but in the end they have to make there own decision. And we have to let the cookies crumble,where that may
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Maybe DH is going on a business trip to get some peace and quite from the chaos that is his home life.

Something to think about romeo.
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Romeo13 Sep 7, 2024
I thought about it, of course, but he has a new boss, who started when my husband got his diagnosis and probably feels, on both sides - it's about time.
Look, it's out of my hands and I'm sure he'll manage, but what will happen when he gets home - he collapses from the whole ordeal?
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He's leaving tomorrow. He's an Attorney/Lobbyist and Vice President in the company and HE wants to attend besides his boss saying it too. This is INSANE and I have no control over it! They're all driving me crazy - I am having lung issues and they're going to kill me. I just needed to vent.
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Hothouseflower Sep 7, 2024
This is a reckless decision your husband is making. Has his doctor cleared him to travel? From what you describe, I think not.

I also don't think his boss realizes the extent of his medical problems. If he did, shame on him for insisting he should be going. What kind of person does that? It sounds like a high pressure situation and he certainly will not be on his game.

Ask him what he plans to do if he keels over away from home and ends up in the hospital. What are his expectations as to what should happen if he can't get back home? Does he have a plan? What are his expectations as to what you should do given your situation with your family? There is a high likelihood that it could play out this way and he should really think about this.
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This isn't about my parents - it's about my 65 year old husband - he's going on a business trip and he is exhausted, can hardly speak and is in pain from post radiation and chemo from his Tonsil Cancer. He still has a feeding tube and is going to bring all of his meds and food with him. He didn't take any sick leave or disability during the entire time - just fell asleep a little. Besides my parents, I have to deal with this too. I thought I had/have it bad with my Breast Cancer (posted about me the other day to Lost poster) - he's 100 times worse. I'm actually angry about this. He's going to retire in March when I turn 65. We are financially fine. He's immune compromised, like a poster said and he can hardly stand up because of his weight loss. They're all going to send me to a psychiatric ward!
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sp196902 Sep 7, 2024
He should tell his work that no he can't go because of ...... and they will have to make other arrangements. Can this be done via a zoom call from home without him having to travel?

His chances of getting sicker by traveling may put him in the hospital due to his weakened immune system and constant pain.

What's the worst they do fire him? He would have a great lawsuit if they did that.

Now's the time for him to take some sick leave or disability leave. I am sure his oncologist/doctor could write a scrip telling his work he is not able to fly or travel due to the feeding tube, constant pain and weakened immunity.
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Oops, duplicated. So edited.

And how mobile is Mom? Get in & out of the car OK with just your Dad. Is she trustworthy as a passenger? Wears her seatbelt? Any yelling "Slow down!" in panic?

Any concerns that would decrease their safety?

I remember driving like a snail with my 80-something Grandma while she clutched on for dear life. She was a good passenger until her eyesight worsened.
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Romeo, how old is your Dad? How good is his walking? Eyesight? Memory & reaction time?

Do you think it a wise decision he buy a car & drive?
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Alva: I think my other post when I signed in as Maximus was 300 posts? I have to go back and check that. It's been actually fun in a "crazy" way for all of us.
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sp1969: My Dad has NOT driven our cars. I am making excuses for him not to. He will be buying his own car and getting his own insurance. They have enough money to eat and has money for his car and since he stopped paying for my brother and he sold his other car he can get one. We are not paying the rent here and he doesn't have a mortgage since he sold the condo. They want to pay us back, which is impossible. We don't want him to. We are very comfortable financially right now, even with all of the years helping them out. He said he will just have enough money for a facility if need be - just making it.
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Actually, my husband is Irish - grandmother had a brogue. My Dad used to fly Pan Am into Shannon and he said the breakfast was not to be believed - so good-eggs, bacon wow. My husband and I were not able to bring Lucius with us due to the quarantine rules years ago. I don't think they have to be quarantined anymore. We did travel to London. So hopefully, we can visit after all of our health issues are done with. I would love to hear other people's travel experiences even in our country and I asked the other night - what happened to the post about "what did you have for dinner"? Does anyone remember that?
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If NO ONE will claim the Kewpie Doll for number 100 post, then here I am to do so.
(pf course)

You can mail it to
Number 2 Yellow Brick Road
Somewhere Special
No zip.
Use a Forever stamp. I have stuff going out from my will with them!
My love to all for this entertaining post. May it go on forever!
And may the USPS forever honor "forever" stamps.
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This is actually to AnxietyNacy:

I read your response to LostinPlace’s time living in Italy that you “have to go to Ireland….” I just wanted to let you know that Ireland is quite beautiful as well! One of our favorite countries to visit. Get your Green on!!
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
Lol, I'm just not a huge traveler, honestly in May was the first time I ever flew. Now we are taking a cruise in January, and my sons getting married in Killarney September 8th 25
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Lost: Fa Bene! Ciao! Yes, the Italians are colorful in every way and if you love history as I love to study Ancient History, it is one big museum. We traveled all over Italy - right now our hearts are set on spending many months in Spain, Portugal and France (been there many times too), and we have to finish Germany and other countries. Even though we traveled extensively and drove through Europe, I am also envious. You sound like my parents just moving for the heck of it to enjoy another way of life.

PS: I had a double mastectomy with NO reconstruction - totally flat - I had Stage II aggressive ER PR positive breast cancer with Lymphovascular Invasion - 5 years out. Had the horrible "Red Devil" chemo, no radiation - chose to remove breasts. Now on an aromatase inhibitor and suffering horrible joint pains and hot flashes, brain fog, nervousness, insomnia, gained 20 pounds, lost 20 pounds - just a basket case. Going for my next scan to see if lung nodules are metastatic. More worried about my husband. Hopefully, you are doing ok.
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Romeo, Come Stai?

We lived in Santa Margherita Ligure on the water closer to Paraggi. In an UNESCO area. So beautiful.

We moved there after I got a false positive diagnosis for breast cancer - it took a full year afterwards to verify that the diagnosis was false. Luckily, I didn't have chemo or surgery before it was clear that I was negative for breast cancer. My husband and I were so giddy with relief that we sold our home and took the proceeds to live in Europe for 5 years; 4 years in Italy and 1 year in France. These were the best years of my life. And we were young and healthy enough to enjoy the experiences fully.

I'd give almost anything to move back to Italy, but now we are too old to deal with Italy's lovely chaos, the day to day magical carnival of living in Italy...the feast for all the senses.
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AlvaDeer Sep 6, 2024
Lost in place, it's a lovely place. I so loved it!
All the trompe le oeil--MAGNIFICENT.
Color me PEA GREEN WITH ENVY.
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I mentioned that my mom doesn't want me to give an explanation about something she is discussing with me and she says my voice is very annoying. She will hold her ears and head. She wears hearing aids, but sometimes she's fine when I speak. I'm trying to learn about Dementia too.

Also, my Dad wants to buy a used car to go the supermarket, instead of using our car. Good, because I told him, to be honest if you kill or injure someone using my car - they will sue us and wipe our retirement out. I told you what he did in Florida crossing 3 lanes with oncoming traffic and stopping in the middle. I have no control right now to stop him from driving and I'm not getting involved. I'm finished - even if he kills himself - they know everything! Hate to sound mean - but, I'm done!
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sp196902 Sep 6, 2024
"I have no control right now to stop him from driving and I'm not getting involved." You are already involved since you are letting him borrow your car. So stop letting him use your car.

Just don't take him to buy his own car. If he wants a car he will have to go on his own to make it happen.

Are you the one that will be paying for the insurance and car since you are supporting them financially? Please don't pay for this insanity.

If dad wants to go somewhere he can take an Uber or a taxi.

And why are you letting dad use your car anyway when you know what a poor driver he is?

Yes if he does kill or injure someone you can be sued for letting him use your car. My husbands brother died because someone let the POS borrow their car and the family sued their insurance, if the owner of the car had assets they would have sued them personally too for the death and debilitating injuries to BIL's wife who will be in a wheel chair for the rest of her life.
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My husband and you think along the same lines - he literally told me exactly what you said about her being the "employer" - and I am going to listen to both of you. The other thing about my parents is they always want to be recognized. My dad always complains that when someone visits with him he always says you think they would look at my photos on his office wall - or you think they would ask me questions about my traveling as a pilot. This all stems from their families not recognizing that they existed. Wow! We feel sorry for them, but this has been way too long of catering to their needs. I feel bad that I am talking about them now and at their ages and they only have a few more years left, but I better do it now then when they die.
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
That always wanting to be recognized and what you said yesterday about your dad losing his filter, or waytomisery said it. I'm not sure exactly, anyways, my dad was very much like that. I suspect vascular dementia.
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Romeo, also find things that make you feel stronger, makes you feel like the leader when you go to moms and not the subservient.

I wear a tee shirt that has some of my favorite sayings on it , that makes me feel like the one in charge, gives me strength, and makes it feel more like the employer and not the employee.

Find something that gives you strength and reminds you who you are , your the employer in this.

Try the super man pose before you walk in moms apartment, stand straight, put you hand son your waist and take a few deep breaths, then walk in.
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
Correcting, hands on your waist , not hand son. It won't let me correct it
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So I did Grey Rocking without realizing it. Ok. So I am going to sign off right now, but thank you once again. I'll stop by later tonight or tomorrow.
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
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Anxiety, sorry about the grandson part. I feel for anyone in situations like that.
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
It's all good, I'm over it. Just explaining that we have all been though some "stuff"

Your not the first your not the last, and your not alone
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Is there another area I should be posting on?
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
No your good , administration will move it if they think it should be moved.

Longer threads are often moved there to save room here for other peoples questions
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Again - she wanted to know how many blocks away that I have to bring the car back to my garage and walk back to the nail salon. In Florida, she waited for my Dad to pick her up with NO PROBLEM at all! Stop the nonsense Mom - please! I turned the tables on her and said - it's too far for you to walk on bricks - I live in Old Town Alexandria - historic area. I just totally ignored that we were talking about me driving back to my garage.
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waytomisery Sep 6, 2024
Google

Grey Rock method .
And
detachment from toxic people
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Maybe this should be moved to discussions?
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waytomisery Sep 6, 2024
I agree .
Romeo , you can always reread the answers on this thread for reference and reinforcement .
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Yes, Way - the home was built with their money that they had lots of years ago. You know, I can understand that they enjoy our company, but to become angry that we can't spend time with them? That is not normal! I said to my mom, my husband and I enjoy one another's company and watch movies that we enjoy together. They claim to be the "closest and most loving couple in the world" and yet they must be completely bored with one another. That happens, but you need to change that then. They lived - what one would say such a wonderful and adventurous life together - but that doesn't make you happy. It's way beyond loving your children - I think there are a lot of insecurities going on here. I mentioned to you guys that their own families were screwed up and they lost their son who became homeless. Lots of ISSUES and they are clutching at the only HOPE they have in life that will make them happy! I think by talking to you all that I am starting to figure it out myself. Even though I have traveled extensively, I have been living this lifestyle so long, I never realized what's going on. My parents thinks all of this is NORMAL!
PS: We had a flat tire before we went upstate one time and my mom said - Oh, you're not coming up this weekend? What the heck is wrong with this women?
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
Romeo, this is not unusual at all. Before I joined this forum my mom guilted me constantly.

Not driving in Snow Storms, accused of faking covid. Not being able to get a covid vaccine because of the guilt I would get if I was not feeling good enough after to do what ever silly stupid thing, she thought she needed me to do.

Being sick after pretty much saving her grandsons life , and the trauma I went through to do it. Then being annoyed with me for the stress of that situation because I wanted a break for a few days.

My list is endless, just like yours.

After you finally get it and all we are saying, you will go through an angry stage. Just plan P/$$ off at life, and angry at yourself for putting up with it.

Your story is not all that unusual
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By the way, my mom last night asked me - why doesn't your husband come up and rest up here - I said no - he took a pain killer and wants to rest on his own coach and then she knew I was leaving by me helping with a few routine things and I said love you again and left. I'm so shocked she hasn't said anything about me leaving - what's going on here? I know you guys are going to say - just wait for it!
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
They change there tactics of control.

Once they figure out that one tactic is not working they change there behavior to another tactic.

You have to be smarter than the controller and watch out for the changes.

And most importantly, if mom gets all distant to you, remember, this is another tactic. Don't let her know in anyway that it saddened you that she is being rude to you. Don't let it sadden you, but if it does on the inside keep it on the inside.

Technical you are now your parents , parent.

So you need to start accepting it and more importantly act the part.

Mom is not at all going to like it, and she is going to give you a hard time.
Accept it, and eventually she will have to accept it
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I need to stop posting alot, but I was just telling my husband my parents were going to move to Costa Rica 29 years ago, but ended up in Florida - all of a sudden they want to be near family? They wanted us to pick-up and go visit them when they moved so far away? They were always like that doing things spur of the moment - drastic. Now it's - oh, don't you want to spend time with us? No, mom and dad - you left your mother and moved to Guatemala for 4 years and you moved away to Europe and Florida and then we went upstate NY for 4 years to visit them in their country log home, that we were obligated to go to because you spent the damn money on it. My husband's family owned a cabana on the beach on Long Island and we wanted to do that too, but no, we had to be "family" with them. My Dad yesterday is saying I made a mistake by moving up here. I said yes, you could have had help in your own apartment and stayed there, but no, we had to not think about it and run up to "family". They move away that far and then blame us for not being family oriented? Are they kidding us? My Dad already had plans for my husband's retirement by saying - oh I thought your husband and you would spend 3 months with us in Florida when he retires. Is he kidding us? You traveled the world with your wife and then expect us to sit in Florida with you? No, no Dad that ain't happening! That was said because they don't want us to go so far away at their ages now. See ya Mom and Dad - we're going like you left your family and you're not going to give us a guilt trip! Thank goodness we didn't have kids is right - what a disaster it would have been. As you all know, I'm starting to realize what happened in my life and REALLY resenting it.
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waytomisery Sep 6, 2024
Your parents did all that moving around ,while you were helping support them because they bought your brother 7 houses . Now they have little to no money . Very wrong . Extreme dysfunction .
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In reply to Way's comment about laughing and teasing my mom after her tantrums - it's my way of coping with her and yes it is giving in to her. I am here to learn how not to do this.
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Anxietynacy Sep 6, 2024
It's passive aggressive behavior
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Hi Lost - where were you living in Italy and why - if you don't mind us knowing? I lived in Guatemala for 4 years - my parents just moved for the experience - went to part of high school there.

By the way, my family is from Calabria, Italy.
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My mother is the biggest micro-manager in history! I mentioned I am eating with them only because my husband has a feeding tube and I'm not cooking and don't want him to get nauseous. By accident I left a few crumbs in the middle of the table and she said be careful they'll fall on the floor - so tired of this - it's not funny anymore! This may sound trivial, but when you are raised by an obsessive compulsive person it's draining. I told you she was such a perfectionist I'm scared to do the wrong thing. Sorry to become so serious again.

Anyway, a few years ago, someone started "what are you having for dinner every night?" - does anyone remember that? We should do that again, except I'm not cooking - we're having PF Changs Chinese Frozen food every night. This is a mortal sin in an Italian family, but no one is up to cooking right now. Are you guys still doing that?
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Anxietynacy Sep 5, 2024
Well Romeo, I'm proud of you, your venting in a healthy way.

Your not talking about your mom, your talking about you!

Welcome to my world, of a narcissist difficult family, and many many of us here in your shoes, or have been
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Bechamel with lasagna - no way in hell!
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LostinPlace Sep 5, 2024
Maybe the Becamel is a Ligurian thing (?). As you know, cooking and Italian dialects vary, depending on the area where you were born. For example. If you were born in Genova and you moved to Rapallo 20 years ago you are still considered a "foreigner".

As one person told me in Italy, "the reason why we lost the second world war is that nobody in Italy could understand what the other Italian person was saying."
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