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My husband is in a long term care nursing home and is on medicaid. Vaccinations of all types are mandatory at the nursing home. My husband and I have both medical and religious reasons to accepting the Covid 19 vaccines. And not to mention, What about those who live in NH that have no family to advocate for them. What can they do? I cannot understand why, no-one is talking about this. I bring this issue up and most don't even see why we are concerned about the vaccine. From what info I have researched, I have no legal recourse to this issue. The only thing I know at the moment is that if push comes to shove I may have to bring him home. I would like to hear from like minded people only. If you disagree, you have that right. Simply move on to another post.

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Reading all this... wow. She is making David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, and Charles Manson look like rational, reasonable human beings. Man made super virus? Putting people in camps and beheading them? What kind of crazy internet sites have you been on?
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NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2020
Love your response!
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There’s going to be a NH somewhere that will allow residents not in compliance with Covid regulations. But you should expect facility to be private pay single room OR pay extra for increased staffing costs due to not being in vaccine compliance OR end up in 1 or 2 NH that allows Covid go wild / let nature run it’s course... if you get it, too bad so sad.

I cannot imagine the challenges of trying to staff a NH that ignores taking precautions that can contain Covid. Just who will work there?

If you want state support.... like you want Medicaid to pay for his room & board ..... you’re required to be in compliance whether it’s doing a copay of income to the facility each month or a flu shot.

Medicaid for kids - CHIP - already has vaccine compliance as part of their requirements. States that have highest CHIP # enrolled also have highest vaccination rates (like Mississippi) and they have the lowest rates of childhood diseases outbreaks. The system is set up for vaccine compliance within Medicaid & data shows benefits of the requirements. I’m sure there are be those that file for a waiver for CHIP but kids tend to age out of getting the vaccine related diseases. This isn’t the case for Covid & those over 70..... you age into being Covid +.

& as an aside on this issue, Quantas Airlines will be REQUIRING proof of Covid vaccination in order to fly within their systems.
Not negative Covid test but show you got 1 of the approved vaccines.
Now you may be all “why should I care” well imho it will matter. Cause rest of the world is enforcing rules to keep the pandemic from tanking their health, happiness and economy any further than it already has.

You cannot be forced to get a vaccine. But don’t expect empathy.
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eeyore12 Nov 2020
I agree w you. As far as empathy, I know there will be none. Matter of fact those who do not go along with the narrative will be persecuted. I have no doubts about that. Who would work at no vax NH? Medical personnel that will loose their jobs because they refuse the vax because of their faith in Jesus Christ. We already know that we all will encounter immense loss of any and all aspects of life to the point of death. I make none of my statements lightly. A terrible man-made-manipulated virus super virus and it is being used for to roll out what will be a globalist plan that has been orchestrated over centuries by globalists, elites and what have you. As I write this there is a possibility that I have contracted it. So I have no castles in the sky about all this. My husband and I simply believe that there are some things that are worth giving up our lives for. And that is freedom.
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Were I you I would prepare now to take your DH back into your home, and to do 24/7 care. I think we can't know now what the rules will be Country to Country, State to State, and Facility to Facility. In a pandemic we are basically flying by the seat of our pants, as they say.
I will be first in any line for the vaccine, once approved. At 78 I now miss my bus rides more than I can tell you. And my junk shopping! Is there a chance of a side effect? Oh, of course. There's a chance of a side effect if I walk down my stairs today, given these knees. I will let you know when I get it and you can see if I survive it. I did great with the regular flu vaccine this year. Always do. But of course, as an atheist, it may not affect me in quite the same way.
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Well straight up I'll admit I'm not a Christian. I loved Bible stories as a kid but lost religion in Sunday School when not allowed to colour Joseph's technicolour coat any colour I wanted.

Anyhoo.. if you don't want a vaccine, you should have the right to refuse in my opinion. If you understand the risk & accept it. If your DH cannot but you are MPOA, then same.

I can predict a future when the local hardware requires a mask & proof of vaccine to enter. As a private store they can add whatever rules they like - or can they?

It's going to be one huge ball of stress to work out the legal / religious / ethics of it.

That is part of being human! Otherwise it is all survival of the fittist or at God's will.
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I have a born again Christian friend. Besides thinking Bill Gates is installing microchips, Hillary owns a pizza parlor and drinks childrens blood, she also believes Don Jr is the antichrist and the rest of the family are the "trumpets" in revelation signaling the end of days. I usually need a drink after all of that.

Based upon your interpretation of the Bible, you have the choice for vaccination or not. The problem with interpretation is, I am assuming, you are dealing with an English translation rather than actual text. You know that telephone game from Girl Scouts.

You have the choice to vaccinate or not. Your right to such freedoms should not infringe on other people's choices. There are consequences to all decisions. If you and your husband decide to bring him home rather than get a vaccine, best of luck.
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Dosmo13 Nov 2020
Stacey-- Please understand that not all, in fact not most, "born-again" Christians are into conspiracy theories. Nothing in the Bible addresses Bill Gates. Hillary Clinton or Don Jr. and the majority of "born-again" Christians are logical and reasonable people. Please save your stereotyping for internet sites that tolerate such descriptions.
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Eeyore,
If you are here to ask a question re your husband and his future as it involves Covid-19, then the simple answer is that every facility, city, county, state and country can and will make it's rules as regards our current virus.
If you don't wish to follow their rules, and choose instead to bring your DH home, them then we will be here to support your doing that.
That's the easy answer.
If you are here to argue religion or to preach the existence of a God as you understand him or her to be, then you are likely on the wrong forum IMHO (although there are, in "Discussions" below several lovely threads created by those who are practicing a religion; you may enjoy them,and I would think would be very welcome there.).
Many of us are not religious at all, some of us--I include myself--don't believe in a god or an afterlife of any kind and never did; we think it is nonsense. Not a choice of ours, just a lack of belief. Some of us are of differing religions from yours and subscribe to different Gods and/or religious texts. Goodness, we may even have a few Wiccans, I am told. I am certain THOSE people think their religion and their book is the "right" one, and yours is not.
The point is that this really isn't a Forum created for the discussion of politics or religion. Reason being that things tend often to go all divisive bickering and anger when EITHER politics OR religion are argued, and while just a few of us who enjoy the occ. Rabbinical argument, most of us don't; no minds are changed. We are all good people here, and most would give you the proverbial shirt off his or her back were you in trouble.
I've seen several posts of yours this very day offering wonderful advice as regards care for our elders. It's my hope you'll continue to give that good advice as regards AgingCare.
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NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2020
Alva, your posts are a joy to read! You are a voice of reason.

Variety is the spice of life. There is room for everyone. Live and let live is my motto!

Who cares what people believe? I don’t care who or what people believe or not believe in as long as they don’t try to force others to follow their protocol. We live in America!

Thanks for pointing out there are religious posts where the OP would find likeminded posters.
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Fascinating thread to read.

Eeyore, I am a staunch Christian--and I truly believe that the scientists who have created the vaccines have been blessed and guided by a loving God. Reigious people all over the world have prayed and fasted for these people.

Saying this is a hot topic among Christians--I beg to disagree. Your comments are actually the FIRST I have heard at all. Most people want this DONE!

Yes, this vaccine has been fast tracked like nothing before. And thank GOD for that. BTW, my SIL did his PhD partially in virology. I asked him about the COVID vax and he laughed and said "I can TELL you about it, but I can't UNDERSTAND it for you". In essence, 99.99% of the world cannot comprehend the science behind it.

Salk, Fleming, Pastuer, Curie--all scientists who worked to make the world a safer and better place. No doubt had their opponents.

You think people didn't doubt Sir Alexander's discovery of penicillin?

You have the absolute right to refuse the vaccine. But you don't have the right to choose for ME whether I get it--and you may very likely not get the right to choose for your DH.

I used to say this to my kids: "Your 'right' to swing your arms about wildly ends at the tip of my nose."
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AlvaDeer Nov 2020
I am first in line for this stuff, even if I have to shove those older than me out of the way, Midkid! I am 78; I want this stuff bad. Willing to take my chances; what have I to lose but a few more years on the slow slide down! Whoever is guiding the hands of the Scientists, I am IN.
I adore your instructions to the kids!
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Widely shared claims on social media link to a video alleging that a future vaccine against COVID-19 would “genetically modify” humans. This claim is scientifically untrue.
Source: Reuters fact check.
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Im surprised you are not caring for your husband at home and that he has been in a NH for 4 yrs - home care is probably cheaper than a NH and i would imagine given all your christian concerns for your husband that you would both be happier if he was home and then this becomes a non issue for you. And yes you are entitled to your opinion....and i would disagree about your theory about Gates - i for one am thankful to God that people like Bill and Melinda Gates exist and donate BILLIONs to people in need...thats more Godly than i can imagine...again, my opinion.
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NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2020
Bill and Melinda Gates contribute to many causes. I am grateful as well.

Love your answer! Sums it up very well.
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I checked the verses that upset you, Revelation 13:16-18. They say: “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six”.

I am sorry that this is causing you so much distress. Could you perhaps have the vaccine in your upper arm, instead of in your right hand? I’m not sure that it will leave a mark at all, so you may be OK. Believe in the love of Christ, which will surely overcome Satan.
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AlvaDeer Nov 2020
Interesting. The Jehovah Witnesses I believe take a verse from the bible about not "taking the blood" of another to mean no transfusions. Which of course weren't done that I know of in biblical times, nor even imagined. For me the taking of the blood of another would be to spill their blood in anger. Otherwise even a surgeon would be precluded from using the scalpel. But it is all very interesting for Bible Studies and Rabbinical argument. That I know of, those arguments are seldom won!
Margaret, how is your EYE? Back in the day my partner had a retinal detachment and surgery and had to lay on his stomach for weeks after; we had even a special chair for when he could be up. It was a nightmare. Not the surgery, but the afterstuff. I am relieved you didn't have to go through all that!
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