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This is just too weird not to share:
I was at L's neighbor's home and I lost an earring. Just a medium size black hoop, but I did want it back, also it could have hurt if stepped on.
B had L's family over for dessert on Monday. She said that the 11 yo boy found it. Last night I went to B's for our HGTV binge watching. She told me that the boy couldn't return the earring because HE ATE IT.

HE ATE AN EARRING. He's not 3, he's almost 12.
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NeedHelpWithMom Feb 2020
Okay, that is weird! I had a neighbor who borrowed everything. I mean everything! It wasn’t just an egg here and there. It was an egg, a bowl, flour, sugar, milk, etc. I ended up asking her, “Would you like me to bake the cake for you?” Hahaha

Anyway, she borrowed my vacuum cleaner. She returned it. I hear a knock on my door. It’s Joyce asking me to sift through the bag in my vacuum to look for her lost earring that she thought she had vacuumed up!

I am severely allergic to dust. I took the bag out of my vacuum and told her to look! She was such a nutty neighbor.

Did she say why he ate the earring? Did you ask? I would have been dumbfounded! Does he have pica? They put everything in their mouths if he has that condition.
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Juts an update, and again, this is more for my sense of needing to talk about it more than anything else--

Called CPS and talked to the caseworker. Of course she can't tell me much, and I appreciate that--but they did contact all 3 kids a school last week and there will be a 'no warning' visit to the home, probably this week. She said that they did deem it to be a concerning situation, so that's good, they didn't just blow it off. Something will come of this, but it will be 30+ days before they've completed the casework.

Poor L, he oldest grandkid was supposed to go out and throw salt on the ice patches on the driveway. He didn't, of course, and she fell on the ice. Turns out she tore her right shoulder quite badly and now needs surgery to reattach some ligaments. She is saying she can't HAVE the surgery as she would be 6 weeks healing and she HAS to work and she HAS to use her right arm. As of today, she can't lift it above her shoulder and it's excruciating.

My neighbor, who sees all this--asked me if the state provided respite care for overwhelmed parents. I had to laugh, because of course they DON'T. That kind of care is called 'family' and sadly, she has no one to turn to.

On top of all this, L's son was arguing with his wife and in a meth fueled argument, she shot him in the stomach. He's in intensive care in some hospital in ND and the wife is back in jail. He's not doing well, L hasn't even spoken to him, the hospital calls with updates. These 2 lovelies are these kids' parents--and this isn't the first time a drug fueled fight got violent.

Like I said before: I can't even believe I KNOW people who have these kinds of lives.

Time will make this be OK--the CW did say that foster care was a definite possibility, and I told her the gma had been basically trying to find a family to take the kids to adopt--but she's not doing it legally, just trying to pawn the kids off to anybody. You could not tell her it doesn't work that way.

I knew it would take a big thing to get her to finally step up and do right by these kids. She's going to be forced to, looks like.

So--the rock is rolling down the hill and gaining some serious speed. The CW said she would keep me informed. I appreciated that.

Keeping this a complete secret has been hard, but I AM glad they have begun looking into things.

And Barb? If this were ANIMAL neglect/abuse, it would have been a same day visit and probably removal of the animals. I've seen that a lot of times. Our Animal Control services are 2nd to none. Maybe I should have said the 'kids' were actually 'chimps'. That would have gotten a quicker and more thorough response.
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Midkid,
It is hard to imagine being somewhat involved with this 'friend' by bringing meals when she is sick. And backing away from the toxic dysfunction, but leaving yourself vulnerable through contact.

Your health is suffering by not sleeping. Your relationships are suffering. So you did the right thing by stopping the enabling.
You may need an outlet for all that love and concern you carry for others.

Can you go off to the gym, for a long walk and just force yourself to stop thinking about her issues? It is going to take some time for you to decide to help yourself, or someone else maybe, just not her.

There will be others who will help. You just do not need to be involved with that. Be gentle on yourself. Can you start a journal?
Writing down your thoughts about this lady. 1) What you would wish for her? 2) Does she remind you of someone? 3) What will happen to you if they move her far away and you no longer have any word and no contact? 4) But you would feel better that she was helped; 5) Then what?

It will get better Midkid. Wishing you some PEACE about it.

And yes, do come here to talk about it. The things going on now will not be solved overnight. With CPS involvement, it could take 1-2 years + of intense involvement just hearing from the neighbors about it. Afterwards, if you decide to go no contact and not to discuss or update with neighbors, there may be times this still comes to mind.
People are living these kinds of trauma and sadness everywhere.
It was good that you have been there to make a difference in someone's life, after years of doing so.
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Midkid58 Feb 2020
Of course you're right--and I want to assure you that although this week has been a little anxiety producing, I am at peace with what I did. This board is the only place I can come to 'vent' when I was feeling guilty (and I know I am NOT GUILTY of anything).

I am also fully aware it could take YEARS to make this situation be even remotely OK. I can't do more.

Didn't help that I had a bad cold all week and it's been boring as all get out. I'm going to play with some grandkids for a while. They're always fun :)

But natural compassion and the fact that L has used up every single other person in her realm and was really in a bind was why I took in dinner. I did NOT stay and clean, as I would have in the past. I left dinner and didn't look back. She had injured her right shoulder and can't lift it at all--so is that her fault she can't fix a meal? No, and no decent person would say 'well, sucks to be you' and walk away. I can leave a dinner on the counter and help her for one or two nights, but I'm fully aware I can't really help her.
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MidKid, I think it's natural to not only want to follow up, but to be somewhat self judgmental in having reported someone.  But remember, you did the best thing that could be done for this family, and hopefully they'll get help and intervention to redirect their probably very sad, lonely and unrewarding lives in their current situations.

I applaud you for your concern, consideration, and actions.
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CPS can’t And won’t disclose anything about their investigation. Please don’t call them and ask for an update, they have far more important things to do and again, due to privacy laws they can’t tell you anything. They will contact you if they need more information.
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Midkid58 Feb 2020
Actually, the SW with CPS TOLD me to call next Monday to check in. I would have been happy to leave it be--but she said I was more than welcome to call. They won't release private info (and honestly, I know far more than I WANT to about this family).

She said to also call APS and Animal Control also, if they had not moved much in a week. This is a family that I am positive is already 'in the system' and the names and such--well, the last name is an odd one and normally you'd have to spell it out for someone who heard it for the first time. She didn't stop for a beat while filling out the report.

I'm 100% positive they are well in the 'system's radar' but have more ammunition, so to speak. Whether I call on Monday or not remains to be seen. I'll probably hear about it through the grapevine anyway.
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Stay strong. None of this can have been easy for you.
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Thanks for the kind responses.

Even though I am 'removed' from the situation, in that they don't live really close by me and I can ignore them, day to day, just calling CPS and knowing that I have set in motion something that will make this woman just furious--in spite of the fact she herself regularly bemoans having to care for the kids.

I've had panic attacks the last 2 nights and can't sleep. Kind of waiting this out...this makes me KNOW that calling on her was the right thing.

Whether CPS stands up for these kids or not is still to be seen. I will call tomorrow for an update, don't expect much.

It's good to be able to come here to talk about this. I am not a 'pot stirrer' as it were and it's bringing back some bad memories, all those months of working daily with her and being disrespected and actually abused, in a way.

Oh, and to answer as to why my DH would go ballistic if he knew I'd called? I beat myself to death helping her, wasted so much time and money and he finally told me I had to quit 'enabling' her. He was right and I promised him that I would only do the smallest acts of service for her (like dinner when she's sick). No more babysitting, no more binge cleaning, no more long tragic discussions. His heart is in the right place, he did a LOT of repairs to her house, himself, and he saw firsthand how manipulative she is.

More to come, I hope. Nothing has happened yet that I know of.
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Midkid,
Hoping that you get a break soon from just thinking about your neighbor's problems after this crisis resolves a bit.

I have been there and there is just no rest until something major is done.

You have gone above and beyond compassionate efforts to help her and her family.

I feel kind of proud to know you on Aging Care!

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MidKid, you did the right thing, I remember you telling how hard you worked to help this friend before, how frustrated the situation became, and now it has become so much worse. It is a very sad situation, as you said, she is 70, never had the chance to grieve her late husband, and she is overwhelmed with caring for her Grandchildren with no help from either parent, it just isn't fair to her, and definitely not fair for the children involved, it would be too much for anyone in her circumstances.

I will pray for this woman, these poor children and the animals involved. I pray that they all get the proper help that they deserve. You are a very kind person for stepping up and reporting this, all in the name of Love and Kindness. Do keep us informed, as we all care what happens to them!
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In NYC, we always remind each other that the SPCA existed LONG before there was any kind of child welfare system.
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Thanks Shad--yes, I think the animals definitiely should also be removed. Even when L just had the cat, she seemed to forget she had a cat and the litter box was always filled to capacity and beyond.

Animals abuse is considered to be a pretty serious deal...I've seen animals removed from homes when it's the KIDS who should be taken. Go figure.

If the dog is not removed in this initial swoop I will call animal control.
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Call animal control to get the dog and cat out. They should be in better living conditions.
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You did the right thing, Midkid!
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Please, PLEASE, save those kids.  The way they are headed is to disaster and who can really blame them?  They urgently need to get out of there.  CPS would I think be able to act just on the health risks (you might want to call the Health Dept. too).  Grandma is simply not capable, not tracking (which is not surprising if she was doing meth).  Helping in this kind of situation is simply enabling and it is the kids who will finally end up under all the rubble.  Give them a chance!
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Midkid58 Feb 2020
Rovana--
I did the ONLY thing that I am capable of doing at this point.

IF CPS doesn't move on this, then I will be going up the chain of command, as it were--but these things take time.

I got far too involved about 2 years ago and ended up so sick, physically and mentally from being in that house day after day, trying to pack and clean with 3 terribly behaved children there all day. At one point I just...broke. And told the woman I was done. And I never went back. The entire neighborhood was supporting this woman with meals, money, child care respite and she used us all up. She WANTS to go see her son in the hospital, but absolutely no one will take the kids. Not one person.

CPS does have the ability (and responsibility!)in our state to remove the kids from the home. Just pack up their stuff and take them. Esp since gma does not have 'legal' custody, simply a paper from her son saying he was fine with her taking the kids across state lines. I never really asked her the details of how she wound up with the kids and why she did not leave them in foster care in the state of their parents' residency. She regrets THAT to this day.

Gma was NOT using and does NOT do drugs. She is simply overwhelmed and a very poor planner. She's 70--who wants to raise very troubled kids at the age of 70? And if you remember, when she first went and retrieved the kids her husband was living and it seemed doable. It's not her fault he was killed in a car accident. That was the turning point. She did not have time to grieve him AND care for the kids.

I think I am doing all I can short of kidnapping the kids and hiding them and that's patently ridiculous. I have to do this all legally, or it will blow up in our faces.

I just have to hope and trust that CPS follows through. The CW said that the initial interviews and very possibly the pop in visit will happen within 3 days--so by Thursday they should have spoken to the kids and assessed the home environment. I am praying they simply take the kids away.

All I can do is follow up with Animal Control if they don't remove the dog and then APS, since she IS an aging person in danger. I KNOW the oldest boy did 'lay hands on' gma a couple of times, one in my presence, so I can testify to that (and did tell CPS that).

Don't be harsh with me, please.....I am doing the best I can.
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You did good! Keep that in the front of your mind!
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I've been ansty all day. I actually had called once before on her--about 2 years ago and the follow up was just that she got a little slap on the wrist for not cleaning the cat box---this was when they all lived in the entire house--2400sf as opposed to the apt which is about 1000sf, a large chunk of which is the laundry/store room. That's where one of the boys sleeps. On piles of clean and dirty laundry mixed together. (And I thought my kids were messy!)

She got SO ANGRY about that call, and didn't know it was me. No way I am telling a SOUL what I did.

Thinking on this all weekend and all day, I know it had to be done. They said they would try to 'keep the family together' and I told the CW the gma DOES NOT want the kids. Period. She was trying to have them 'adopted' by any number of couples in our neighborhood.

I'm hoping that when they go in to do the 'surprise' inspection, she isn't even there and it looks as bad as it did last Tues. I can't imagine it would look better--this is status quo for her. Then some action would be taken. I would have taken pictures but the kids would have said something to her--so I cleared a spot for dinner and left.

I think, minimally the dog will be removed, They are so cramped in there and the dog is HUGE--stands taller than me when he stands up and weighs about 125 lbs. He is aggressive, so that's something I had to warn them about. Also the fact they put the dog in a kennel that is so small he cannot turn around in it--and he's there for about 7 hours day. Inhumane.

She's one of those people (if any of you remember me talking about the utter frustration of trying to get her to make decisions!) who waits and waits and then something awful happens and she RE-ACTS. Like, the water gets turned off and she freaks out, like she didn't KNOW if you don't pay your water bill they won't turn it off. She never makes the 'first move'.

Well--thank you for letting me rant. There's absolutely no one I can tell about this. There is no such thing as a 'secret' esp in a fairly small neighborhood.

Fingers crossed that the kids can be removed, she can get legal custody so they can be adopted or at least fostered. Then she can sell that white elephant of a house (which is always in some sort of pre-foreclosure) and sell it and start fresh.
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MidKid, well done! Know how hard that was but also so glad you stepped in. Years ago we did this in a situation with a relative. Sadly, they moved too often for a caseworker to ever keep up. Fast forward a lot of years, those children we were so worried about are now adults, living very dysfunctional and sad lives. I still wish we could have done better
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Midkid58 Feb 2020
Daughter--

I also neglected to turn in a relative many years ago---and all of his kids are so screwed up. I cannot forgive myself to this day for not reporting the abuse they suffered.

Seeing these kids and this house brings back the memories of seeing my OB's family living in an unheated garage. During a Utah winter. And I said nothing.

Wish I had just swooped up his family and brought them home. Things did not end well at all.
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Well done!!!! (((((((hugs)))))
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arrgghhhh---
That was one of the hardest things I've ever done!

Just got off the phone with DCPS...the caseworker was wonderful and took copious amounts of info. Asked things I wouldn't have thought to mention.

ENOUGH so there will be a 'surprise' pop in visit this week (no warning, as the people can clean up and 'fake' a 'norm' that doesn't exist.) The kids' schools will be contacted for further info (since a day doesn't go by that the principal of one or both schools isn't calling, that will be a no-brainer) AND a one on one visit with each of the kids, away from home. (I guess at school).

The gma is in violation of so many things---DCPS is very concerned with getting families to 'work' but in this case--I doubt there's a hope in the world that they can reach anything near 'normal'. The one thing that was troubling to the CW was that the kids are alone in the house from 2-4 hrs per day. AND a DOG is kept in this environment--animals have as many or more rights than people, I guess. He will almost assuredly be removed and this will be a huge burden lifted.

I will remain anonymous....so I hope. The gma could point to dozens of people as reporters--and likely the schools have already done so, as mandated reporters.

I HOPE they can remove the kids and find a better place for them. I don't want the gma to not see them, everyone concerned just wants her to be the GRANDMA and not the primary caregiver.

I can call back in a few days and see how the case is going, but I have a feeling that the neighbors will let me know.

It's sad, really, we're mostly all of the same faith and so reporting another 'church member' for neglect and abuse is really against my grain--but I cannot do anything else to help.

And the parents? Mom went back to jail and dad is still in the hospital but will be going to jail as soon as he's healed enough. Ex-cons can't have guns, evidently, so it doesn't MATTER if she shot him or he shot himself.

I can't BELIEVE I even KNOW people who act like this.
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Riverdale Feb 2020
The fact that you stated earlier that the children thrived in the care of others should make you feel that you did the right thing in these circumstances. It is so sad that a young child has a terrible,neglected skin condition. It is sad about the dog's life. There really don't seem to be any positives with the present situation. You are very likely giving those without any control a better chance at life. I understand your dilemma but considering the circumstances not reporting this would be negligent.
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Midkid,

It’s not the easy thing to do, but I absolutely believe it’s the right thing to do. Hoping for good outcomes for everyone, including the pets, and that you will have peace with your decision. Will look forward to the updates.
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I'm preparing to call CPS this morning and am making some notes.

I am positive the gma is in no way involved in drugs, but has a VERY laissez faire attitude about exposure to them. She showed me all the drug paraphernalia in the apt. and also a roll top desk the mother had drilled a hole into so she could 'hot box' (pardon my terminology, I am not familiar with what drug users DO)...the little girl was a 'surprise' baby and is very definitely affected by the mother's drug use while she was pregnant.

I know there must be a SW worker, as one was assigned by the middle school, but that would be confidential. I am simply calling CPS, making the report and letting the chips fall where they may.

I have not spoken to this women (except for the text last week) for over a year. This report could be coming from ANYONE in the neighborhood or the schools.

Just--guilt. Personally, I know quite a few foster parents and they are all wonderful people doing a pretty thankless job. These kids would be better off with any of the FP I know than with the gma who has not one ounce of 'mothering' in her. Not her fault, we're not all cut out to be maternal.

I will keep you posted. I feel very alone in this--haven't and won't tell my hubby--he'd go ballistic.

Fingers crossed!
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rovana Feb 2020
Can't understand why he would go ballistic? It is wrong to report a fellow church member, but OK to let her/his kids suffer abuse? WHAT??  Could I suggest a talk about moral theology with his pastor? I'm presuming he is Christian and for sure Christianity is not about "making nice with evil."
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Midkid,
Make your report, then stay far away from anybody involved in this mess. It is likely 'your friend' will not do anything for herself because she is also involved or knowingly permitted illegal drugs.

Do not go into the home, please stay away.

A brief search online will give you all the needed information regarding the dangers of a house contaminated with meth and other drugs. The poor children. Add the meth exposure to your report please.

You will be putting your own self in danger after making the report.
Keep silent, go into your home and close the door.

IMO.

BTW, we know a case is already open with CPS for the kids because gma has temporary custody? Find their social worker?
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I would tell them about the guns. The maybe unregistered. Also, there are laws in some states that they have to be locked up.

Good for you. Those kids need stability. And therapy. Your friend needs help too. Ask that resources be made available to her too.
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Too late yesterday to get anyone at CPS to start a file on her, but it's going to happen Monday am, first thing.

Just found out the parents are back together (despite the multiple filings and then rescinding of divorce) and they were both stoned on meth and 'somehow' he got shot in the stomach. She is in custody, even though he said it was an 'accident'. He lived, but now has a colostomy! That may be temporary, but still.

The mother is on parole and not supposed to be anywhere near firearms. The father is a HUGE gun nut--I know b/c when we emptied the house I wouldn't even touch the guns and tons of ammo that he had stashed at his mother's. He had a couple of guns under the bed, which I am too naïve to know if they were loaded or not, but gma said the kids were 'well trained' not to touch guns. Ha. What 12 yo boy wouldn't be fascinated by a gun?? I FORCED her to lock them up, but there can be many other firearms in that hoard that no one knows about. She didn't know about the guns under his bed!

So the time if definitely right to strike with a dual call to APS and CPS. The courts will not even take into consideration the parent's rights now.

Just a ?? b/c I am not well versed in all things 'illegal drugs'. The mother smoked meth in the basement, the apartment that this family lives in. She smoked a LOT. Since moving downstairs, all the family's health has really tanked. LOTS of colds ad URIs, all 4 of them have had pneumonia. The little girl is covered in eczema. Can the meth have gotten into the walls and made this a 'sick' environment? I have no actual proof that the mother did meth down there, only the gma's word for it. I'm sure it could be tested and that would settle that---but wow, this is rapidly becoming a real soap opera.

The wheels of justice grind so slowly--but they do grind. I am hoping the kids are taken out of the house immediately.
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cwillie Feb 2020
I found this website Midkid

https://methinyourhouse.com/?page_id=98

It seems like there are lots of anecdotal reports of health effects but I didn't see much in the way of scientific studies.
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Midkid, there were two times in my life where I didn't report a situation (nobody did), and the results were very bad. I still regret it, years later.....
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You are NOT a horrible person, you are a caring, sympathetic person who sees a situation that is not working for your friend or the children involved let alone the animals. Sounds like a call to CPS and APS is needed. If all she is collecting is a small navy pension why is she not collecting against her husband's SSI? She may be eligible for other VA benifts too but doesn't know where to turn. My heart breaks for all involved, including you. You are in a tough position, needing to do the right decision for all of them. It sounds like she is in over her head, could be severely depressed and burned out, and maybe the beginnings of some cognitive decline since in your post you stated she has problems making decisions. Let us know how it goes, hopefully things will work out for the best for all concerned, it sounds like it really can't get much worse. Make sure to inform agencies that parents are completely MIA and have been for quite awhile. It doesn't seem that she is living this way because she wants to but more that it has completely spiraled out of control and she was counting on the son to step up and do the right thing. Mom and dad are the ones who abandoned their children and never looked back. Time for positive changes for those involved (her and children). God bless you for looking out for their wellbeing.
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Your obligation is to these children. Yes, you should call CPS. They will not allow you to be anonymous I think, but they will not report who called them.
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Yes, you call CPS anonymously, turn her in and then keep your distance.
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I think you know the answer. This is an unsafe situation for the children. That they are acting out at school is a sign of their inability to cope with their home life.

Please do they a favour and make the call.
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Thank you a million times over---I even called my sister who is a calm source of information and advice.

She asked me so salient questions--for example, there are 4 if them in a one bedroom apartment. One of the boys sleeps in the laundry room--which has a gas dryer, this alone will set off alarms in a 'normal' family situation.

I have cuts ties with her--when I texted her the other day to say I was dropping off dinner, I saw that my last communication with her was over 14 months old. I am not starting up the 'friendship/ AKA/ using me' again. I simply think of these kids and how much worse their behavior has become.

For the sake of the kids, I am going to call CPS AND APS. She is being abused by the system too--although it's an abuse she chose.

Many of you do remember when I posted a little about this previously. Sadly, she is much worse off than before. All the stuff in the garage has now been infested with rodents. She has a cat, but it never goes in the garage so she denies she has a problem.

Hopefully they will do this anonymously---and the school records and ANY neighbor will back me up 100%, if questioned.

Thanks for the calm, measured replies.

We'll see where this goes.
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rovana Feb 2020
Praying for you!
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