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APS called my husband's cell phone asking to speak with my mom. We told her that is not possible as she lives in a board and care and has dementia/ALZ. The person rudely said that she would be the judge of that. We asked her what this is about and she said she couldn't tell me unless we had a POA. We told her we did. She said if we faxed it over she would tell us. We then stopped the conversation because we really didn't know if she was truly from APS. She gave us her supervisor's number to look up and check and she was telling the truth.


I was going to send the POA, but decided to run it by my friend who places elderly loved ones in board and cares, advocates for seniors etc. Loves her job and has 15 years experience. Also all 3 of us taught at the same school together 20 years ago. Needless to say, she knows my character well, as well as my mom's, and has been with us every step of the way.


So the dilemma is we are ALL moving cross country (1800 miles) in 8 days. We have been planning the move for a year so we can be near my husband's huge family. We are pretty much packed up.


She called again today and left a message saying she wanted my mom's board and care address to see if it is in her jurisdiction. If it wasn't she would use an Ombudsman. She also said the only number she had was my husband's and would like my number. She was also waiting for the POA.


My friend I referenced above said I should not do anything except FAX them and tell them I don't feel comfortable giving this info and would like a certified letter in the mail with a case number.


Does anybody have an opinion about this situation?

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I feel that if APS was really involved they would not be pussyfooting around with you. I think they have a very limited amount of time to investigate any complaints and would more than likely show up at your front door. It also seems a little odd your brother did not receive the information that he wanted and now you are receiving a call on your husband's phone (which was the same number your brother contacted). I would not fax the POA either because it contains a lot of information that should not be provided without knowing whom you are releasing it to. I would also not be surprised if your brother is no longer incarcerated and you are just unaware. If your brother is in a state prison please go to Vinelink.com and search for him by the state that he is supposed to be incarcerated in. Vinelink will also allow you to request an alert upon his release. I used this website frequently in my last job and it is very accurate. I hope that things work out for you.
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Seems fishy to me. Any and all government agencies I know of leave a lengthy paper trail, yet this person called you. Seems like someone pretending to be someone they aren't.

I'd ignore the calls if it was me. They can contact you through proper channels -- in person or by mail or email.
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My guess is its your estranged brother trying to wreak havok or somehow (however misguided) gain access to your parents funds. Anybody can call APS and say something. He may have told them his parents money is being misused in which case APS will start an investigation. I don't know for sure, but I think its a possibility given the stated problems and relationship he has with you. I think you should cooperate just to get it over and done with.
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This does sound weird. I thought APS just came to the door. And saying "The person rudely said that she would be the judge of that" when referring to Mom being in a Board and Care sounds unprofessional to me. I would think after u answering where she was, the APS worker would ask for the address of the B and C.

Me, I would call APS directly from a number in the phone book or online. Not something this person gave you. If its verified that the person does work there, ask for the Supervisor. Explain that you are in the process of moving and Mom will be going with you. (I am assuming she is when you say you ALL are moving) That she, for now is being very well cared for. That you have POA to make all decisions for her. They can't tell u who filed the complaint.
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Is your brother currently incarcerated in the state that you currently live in? Is it possible that your brother heard "through the grape vine" about your plans to move 1800 miles away?

You stated "He does have my husband's cell and had left a message in March asking to connect him and my mom." AND "She...said the only number she had was my husband's".

Is it possible that the woman is a friend of your brother's trying to get more information for your brother so that he can talk to your Mother? Or is it possible that your brother contacted APS to prevent you from moving your Mother out-of-state?
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My Mom became nonverbal and refused to perform any ADLs for a couple of months (which was the reason for her being admitted to the hospital and then the LTC facility) after her brother and sister died within a month of each other, [plus several of her friends had died or were admitted to LTC or AL facilities the previous 6+ months also.]

COVID lockdown has resulted in loss of interactions between residents and their families and friends. It is possible that your Mom became nonverbal because that is the only way she knows how to cope with the COVID lockdown and the move to another part of the country. Is your Mom leaving behind several friends or organizations that she used to participate in by moving? What are your plans if your Mom refuses to move with you and your husband?
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AlvaDeer Aug 2020
Wow, DeeAnna, I am hiring you as my next detective. What good thinking. It makes so much sense. What you said about the brother makes so much sense. My vote is going there right now. I would not give any information at this point I think until they send certified letter, because this could be a phishing scheme by the brother for information. I would on give current address for the certified letter. It makes utterly no sense whatsoever that someone making a complaint regarding the mother wouldn't know where the mother is living. If she calls again I would explain I have an incarcerated family member and due to that cannot afford to trust without verifying.
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A couple of questions. Is this call regarding a case or complaint? If so why don't they already have the information on Mom assuming the complaint is about her. Do you know on whose behalf they are investigating, or about what or were you given nothing? Is your mother moving from this board and care and moving to the area you are moving to, WITH YOUr is she staying behind? If you are moving and she is not I can't help but believe this complaint was made about your move? But cannot imagine why.
With your knowing NOTHING at all, and not being given ANYTHING at all, I would give them EXACTLY what they asked for, the POA but I would tell her that you are NOT comfortable sending this POA on a fax to a phone number you cannot insure is a safe number or verify. I would tell her you would like a certified letter requesting the POA. And I would explain you are in the process of moving. If the letter doesn't arrive in a timely manner it will require forwarding to you. And quite honestly I would inform the Board and Care, especially if Mom is staying on. I would not give this woman the Board and Care until you have a certified letter that PROVES that this is Adult Protective Services. Tell them that when they have the POA your HUSBAND can be called to discuss any complaint. That until then you cannot give out private personal information about your mother legally; she is in a fragile state and prey to scams, etc. Simply tell them that with the level of scamming going on now (they are now scamming about Covid-19, claiming that you were exposed and need tests; your cost, you pay and send them money; it's endless) you are naturally suspicious.
To my mind whomever made this complaint, IF it involves your Mom, would already know where your Mom is, right? This just doesn't smell right to me somehow. It's really confusing. Today anyone can pose as anyone, supply a call for you to verify stuff and have another person posing to verify. I am of a suspicious nature, so just saying, I am very careful. Hope you update us.
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It is easy enough to check if this person is from APS.

If they are why would you not cooperate with them?
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Whenever I was being investigated by APS, (for an aunt who was in NH) the rep actually showed up at my parents' home and showed her credentials. She talked to my parents and then visited my aunt in the NH and also talked to staff in person. THEN she contacted me asking for certain information.


In case anyone is wondering why I was investigated, my aunt's bank was P.O.'d because I moved her money to another bank, so they called APS on me.
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In addition to calling APS direcctly and asking if there is an open case on your mom, I would visit at the care home and find out if mom is upset about the upcoming move and complaining about it.

Even with POA, she may decline to be moved.
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donny67 Aug 2020
She has become non verbal since covid lock down. She, prior to move was excited about us moving
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Do not give them the information. Is there a sibling that isn't happy you are moving? Call APS at a number you look up yourself. Ask to talk with the director if you don't get satisfactory answers.

Something is just very suspicious about all of this.
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donny67 Aug 2020
i have an astranged brother that my mom or I haven't heard from in 10 years. He has chosen the prison life sadly using drugs. He does not know we are moving. He does have my husband's cell and had left a message in March asking to connect him and my mom. We didnt respond
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Could the board and care home have called APS because they knew you were moving? or someone else that knows you are moving? Is your mom private pay? I'd be careful about this because someone may be trying to get guardianship and take control of mom's finances.
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donny67 Aug 2020
No, because board and care only have my cell number..NOT my husband's

private pay..We have a great relationship w owners of boutique board and care
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I agree. Next time she calls ask for something in writing before you do anything. By the time that comes you will already have moved.
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donny67 Aug 2020
I was thinking the same..I also live in a guarded gate community with real guards that are instructed to call us with no exceptions to let anyone in
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Phoning the number she gave you is not a good enough check that she is genuinely from APS – if something is wrong here, the number will be answered by someone part of the scam. Check by phoning direct to APS’ own phone number. Do not provide the copy POA or any other information until you have direct contact with APS – this could easily be a scam/ identity theft issue. Go ahead with your move as planned.
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