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The difference between a gift and blackmail is that a gift is given with the giver wanting nothing but a thank you in return. Blackmail is where they give you a nickel and expect a dollars worth of service in return.
I experienced it a lot in China.
I learned to explain that to them and asked them if it was a gift where they expected nothing but a thank you in return. Only a yes or no answer will do. If they refuse then explain you are not interested.
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
Thank you for your input.
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You say ‘no’. Plain snd simple. I would give them the gift card back. These are not friends, they are master manipulators. There is no contract. Do not give into their guilt trips. They need to care for her, not you. You have a life and are entitled to it. Like someone else said, block their numbers and keep track of the ‘harassment’. Change your numbers if you have to. People like this are toxic.
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
Yes I am doing everything I can to avoid them. I won't be abandoning my friend though, she isn't doing this and I can't make her pay for their actions.
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I would hand it back to them, say I do this out of friendship and human kindness. Then stop responding to their calls. Only you can decide to stop being used.

My SIL befriended an elderly neighbor. When the woman was hospitalized SIL offered to care for her cat, even tho she doesn’t like cats. After she was released home SIL kept helping out daily, cleaning the litter box, making food, doing laundry, etc. After a couple of months of this she finally called the woman’s family and told them my brother was upset (not true) and she would have to stop. The woman was moved into AL within a month, her family was just taking advantage of SIL's kindness.
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
God bless your SIL for her caring heart.

It truly is a shame that people take advantage of a helping hand. I suppose your SIL and others like her will always deal with that, but I would rather be the giver than the taker at the end of the day.

When my friend appears to have a need greater than the help provided I will help her decide what she wants to do. Hopefully she will be able to remain home with transportation being her only real need, that's an easy one for certain.
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Return the gift card. If you have spent it, return the $20.00 cash. I might even point out to them that caregivers who have done what you have are paid more than $20.00per HOUR, and send them a bill for the full amount plus the meals you have paid for. But then I can be petty sometimes ; ).

But I would tell them that $20.00 pays for slightly less than an hour of what you have done, and the answer is NO.
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
I am really trying not to be a jerk with them. They make it very difficult.

I run a business and they would have a stroke if I billed them the hourly rate for my services. Believe me I have been tempted, but my friend would try to pay me and I would never do that to her.

If it wasn't for trying to save her feelings I could probably put this to bed, I don't want to make enemies out of her children.
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Wait. WHO is it who says that your 90 year old friend can use the bus?
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
Department of Transportation.

Yeah, insane isn't it?

I have been trying to help her get that sorted out. She qualifies for the services that come to her home, but some person has goofed up her application and trying to get it fixed is no joke.
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You need to protect yourself from this family, block their phone calls. Do what you need to do for your friend and ignore their requests.
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ITRR, I,'m glad you are helping her sort that out.

At least in NYC, to qualify for paratransit, you have to appear in person, which for some folks is tantamount to a Catch-22.

In your shoes, that is one appointment that I would volunteer to drive her to. It will solve many of her other issues, it appears.
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
Yeah, it is all done through the mail here. Getting the information in their system corrected is proving to be difficult.

Maybe her kids work there?
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Wow. Do what you can for your friend because of your friendship. His/her family can ask away and you can choose to listen or not and then choose to do whatever you feel works best for you.
I would discuss with your friend their requests. Your friend needs to complete a living will and health directive, a medical power of attorney and fiduciary. Indeed, your friend may have completed these items naming her family members and thus they feel entitled to "supervise you." A gift is not employment. You do not have any obligations because of the gift card.
The family may be under some mistaken beliefs when they attempt to supervise you. They may be concerned. Nonetheless, they have no footing for directing you.
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
Thank you.

She is one of the seniors that will not believe that she will ever need anything besides a will.

Not my battle to wage, but I agree with you. I think that everyone, no matter their age, should have these things in place. Especially if you have minor children.
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Itrr, I'm wondering if the over the phone application went the way many elder assessments go...
"Can you walk five blocks?"
"Of course I can!"

"Can you figure out a bus route on your own?"

"Certainly! Do you think I'm an idiot?".

Just a possibility...
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
I know. Dealing with young government employees is just ridiculous.

It is not a phone interview, it is an application and some of the questions are not completely clear. But of course she put that she could walk 5 blocks, even though she really can't and be okay.

They can't figure out that a 90 year old woman should not be walking 5 blocks in 100°+ weather to get to a bus stop. 104 days over 100° this year, many of them over 110°, no human should be out walking in that heat.

People, especially young ones, don't understand that at 90 you may be able to do it, but you should not.

Besides the distance is further than the required distance, they can not make you go that far to catch a bus. She would have to cross a 6 lane busy road at the freeway off/on ramp. I would not do it myself with the way people drive with their faces in their phones.

I digress, yes she reported that she could walk that far and trying to correct the information is proving to be difficult. She is losing her ability to walk with every passing week. That is what happens, use it or lose it is sooooo much truer as we age.

I suppose it would be easier if I could reach a mature adult that has actually met a 90 year old. Healthy or not, a 90 year old body is not dependable from am to pm of the same day, not to mention from day to day.

I have calls in going up the government ladder or maybe down, I don't know how they are dealing with this right now with some at home, others at the office and it all seems like a mess.

ANY ideas?
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Isthisrealyreal: Although this was a small gift, perhaps it's all that they could afford. However, I don't believe that you have to be at their beck and call. You were kind to this person, but it's not right for the family to use you.

My poverty stricken mother would lay a 5 dollar bill in the auto of someone who gave her rides to doctor appointments, even though the gentleman (who was a good family friend) said repeatedly it was not necessary. And I realize that this a little off topic.
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Beatty Oct 2020
I think ON topic.

My Grandma would donate towards fuel costs for rides too. She wanted to contribute. She definately did not use it as manipulation to assure future rides.

It can certainly worth clarifying from time to time to ensure resentment is not growing & to change arrangements if required.
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Is it possible her family is under the impression that your friend has hired you and is paying you to help her? They may not understand that a person could do for a friend out of affection what you are doing. Perhaps that can be clarified.
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MamaMamaMama Oct 2020
PS. I went back and read some of your responses to others’ suggestions. I’m confused about whether your friend needs help. In one place you said she just needs transportation. In another you worry that she may need groceries. Since she’s 90, I’m going to assume that she does need help. I just turned 80. I don’t need help, yet I do. I can still do what I used to, but I can’t do as much nor as fast. I run out of time and/or energy and/or concentration. So, yes, I’d say she definitely needs help probably with most things. Times goes by quickly when you get older like the paper on a roll toilet paper. The closer to the end and faster it’s used up.
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Whoa!! Firstly, as you rightly say, a *GIFT* card is a GIFT.

It is not a *signed employee contract* card.

Politely point that out. It they don't get that & are still unreasonable, ignore them. Don't waste your time or breath talking to unreasonable people.

Is your friend able to make decisions for themself? If so, your friend decides for him/herself. And of course it is up to YOU how much you wish to help.
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Isthisrealyreal Oct 2020
I agree. I have told them to no avail. Ignoring them is the current action being taken.
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I reckon you should give them a gift card for $40, and say that now you expect them to do twice as much as you do.
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You have a good heart. The next steps may be hard.. but a frank discussion with your friend will be worth it: what services they need & how to get them once they exceed your ability. (Your one full day seems very generous & a reasonable stopping point IMO).
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I just wanted to add another thought. A 90 yo woman could have children in their 70's easily. A 70 year old may be less capable than the 90 year old. I don't agree with many of the comments suggesting aggressive come backs as it sends the conversation off topic and raises hostility.
I would suggest contacting the Area Agency on Aging. At 90 your friend would be eligible for services just because of her age. Most seniors need "coaching" to answer questions based on their functioning to coincide with their worse day not best day. Indeed, in my mind I am still young but the calendar says 7 decades.
I am wondering if their directives are attempts to be involved without actually showing up and delivering. It may be an attempt to indicate interest at least to you. Let's not assume the worse about these adult children. Perhaps they are doing their best.
The Area Agency on Aging may be able to set up meals on wheel delivery so she has a meal that she does not have to prepare. They may have access to alternative transportation options. All of us have paid taxes that fund the Area Agency on Aging so we need not feel we are indigent to use the service.
When one is 90 it takes a bit longer for all tasks. That is why we quit working. What we could do in an afternoon in our 30's, takes a day and recovery time.
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Not sure where you are located but in some states people over age 85 (may be different in other state) actually can automatically qualify for handicapped placards for cars so I would think would also qualify for special transport and if not , likely could pursue through a doctor’s verifying the need for van transport.
As far as the issue of a gift card— I think they do think you are getting compensated somehow..perhaps one of them , or someone else is pocketing the money and all are even chipping in ..which could be answer to two of your questions — that they aren’t helping at all ( yes they are , they think, by paying for a companion) and that they think they can tell you what to do as their employee. The gift card was likely just an extra and intended in a good way as a thanks for all you do for mom. It could be that one of them is making out with this . Or that they are paying someone else even to be a go between . Or even that they are putting money into moms account but she is too embarrassed by this and can’t tell them no but also realizes that you are helping out of friendship and she doesn’t want to embarrass you by offering the money. I am not quite sure what the answer is ..obviously you love her and want to continue with your assistance and friendship. I think , use the gift card and write a thank you back ..I think when you actually redeem the card it will even give you a spot to do that. You can say that you do appreciate the card and perhaps either use it for yourself or for something for the two of you ..like a special tea to share during one of your days . Then say that , while no renumeration has ever been necessary you do appreciate your act of kindness being appreciated. Did the “orders” only start after the gift card ? Only way they could be connected unless this IS the person getting the money. Only other options are either the email to ALL of them ..saying exactly what you said here ..that you help out of friendship and just want it clear that you have not ever received any money and in fact won’t accept anything . Plus that you will continue to help as you desire not at their order. Or do the same but in an inperson meeting with all involved except the friend who might be hurt by that.
she is lucky to have a friend like you.
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cherokeewaha Oct 2020
If they do think they are paying for her care and someone is keeping it, they will probably turn it in on their taxes. This could cause problems for ITRR. I would suggest they be advised that the $20 gift card was all that had been received for months of care.
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I would buy and give them a $20 gift card. Tell them you are now square. And keep doing for your friend what your heart tells you.
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You turn off the ringer on your phone, put it in your pocket where you can’t see the screen, turn the key in the ignition of your car, put it in gear and GO! Do write a thank you note for the gift card, tell them you were happy to help them out with their family member.

That’s it, your obligation is finished. If you let yourself get sucked into this situation again, then shame on you.
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Give the $20 gift card back to the gifter (or if you already used it, give the gifter $20). Explain that you thought the gift card was indeed a gift not payment for services. Now that you understand that it was meant as payment for services, you are returning it as you are not their employee. You are simply volunteering your time when you are able in order to help a friend.
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Totally agree with previous posters....give them back the $20 and very clearly but kindly explain that they obviously do not understand your intentions...you are volunteering your time to help your friend.  If they want to employ someone to do specific tasks that they feel need done and they aren't willing or able to do themselves, it will cost them around $20 per hour to hire someone and it won't be you.  They have no clue what it costs to hire a caregiver, but I imagine they are soon going to find out.
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This deffiently is not normal.

First, I would tell my friend what is going on.

Then, I would let her children know that you are not an employee and you will do whatever you want to do when you want to do it for your friend and that's between you and your friend.

Tell them that you've been helping out for months and the $20 gift card was a nice jester but was not payment and you don't require payment for things you decide to do for your friend.

Tell them if they can't handle their mom's needs that they should consider hiring a Caregiver, have groceries delivered, hire a cleaning service or whatever is needed..

That you will continue being a friend to their mom not their Employee.

If they try to keep you from talking or seeing your friend, call Senior Protective Services
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Wow. This is as inconsiderate as borrowing a BILLION DOLLARS from an enemy power just to become president of a friendly power to whom personal taxes STILL WON'T BE PAID.

You're amazingly compassionate to have even put up with this kind of behavior THIS long. Don't forget that.
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