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Aging decline st 76? Who evaluated him. If he has Dementia this could be a factor. If not...he is an adult and make his own decisions. A POA doesn't play into it.
Val, good luck, and please let us know how the legal meeting turns out. We can all learn from these situations. Unfortunately, predators I think see seniors as easy targets.
DeeAnna offers good insight and advice on dealing with your father, avoiding the arousal of suspicion or criticism.
And thanks for the compliments. My head is swelling so much it's actually beginning to hurt!
Wow a lot of information thank you so much...I will update Monday. We will be meeting with our attorney monday. Wr have a trust set up but want to do this the best way
GardenArtist gave you some excellent advice. You need documentation and the more documentation that you can gather... the better.
Be careful while "exploring" your father's house. Try not to disturb too much, otherwise, they may suspect someone is watching them or that someone burglarized the house and call the police. Or they may change how the money is being exchanged and try to minimize the paper trail by putting everything on computer or online banking.
This is a hard situation to watch and sometimes even harder to prove especially if the older man "loves" the attention of the younger female. And this may not be the only time that your father has given money to "pretty ladies in need".
My 2 female cousins (ages mid-30s) "sweet-talked" my grandmother's 90 yr old brother into giving money, used cars, an older mobile home, rent free housing and who knows what else to them over a 6-8 year period. The family thinks that the total was well over $100,000, but they couldn't find all of the documentation after he died. They also received several thousands of dollars from my grandmother. However, Grandma was smart and didn't leave much of a paper trail. Grandma had money in 20+ (TWENTY+) BANKS in little towns around our rural community. It took Dad 3 years to find all of the banks once he got conservatorship of Grandma at age 94. But the damage had been done. We think the cousins received between $50,000-$100,000 from Grandma.
Sometimes this type of situation starts because the "victim" is lonely or craves the type of attention he/she used to get from their spouse who no longer lives with them (due to divorce, separation, or death).
Whenever you visit your father and his "sweetheart", show a respectful, caring and calm attitude to both of them. Tell your father that you love him. Do not confront or argue with them. And until you have significant proof/documentation, do not tell your father that you suspect his "sweet-heart" of scamming him. He might become defensive.
Good Luck! I hope that you can resolve this situation quickly.
1. First list all the ways in which you think this woman is taking advantage of your father, and gather the documentation to prove it. E.g., if she's taking loans, do you have evidence through bank statements, checks written to her, possibly even a Promissory Note for repayment?
If she's using his funds for personal items, can you get receipts? Do you have keys to his house? If they're both working, you could do some exploring while they're at work.
The period over which this has taken place is important, as well as showing a pattern of exploitation.
2. What kind of "treatment" is she getting? If your father is paying for this, again, you'll need documentation from the source providing the treatment.
3. Is there physical abuse, and if so, how have you and your family become aware of it? Do you see bruising on your father's body? Have you taken him to Urgent Care, the ER or doctors for treatment from abuse?
4. Has she changed her address to his, so that she can get mail there? If so, your state may consider that a permanent change of address and eviction would be necessary to get her out. That might be a red flag that she's not staying just during the "treatment" but has longer term intentions.
5. Do you have any indication that she's done this before, and if so, have you asked the police for a background check on her, to determine if she has a criminal record?
6. If they're working together, I assume he's providing the transportation, but is she still working while getting "treatment"? You might contact the HR Department of the company they work for and ask about her. They won't release personal information, but the call might spark some internal inquiries.
Summarizing, first I would identify the forms of abuse, gather as much documentation and evidence as I could, then either (a) have a family meeting with your father, if you think he would be receptive, but if not (b) go to the police with your evidence, or to APS if there's physical abuse involved.
These "sweetheart traps" aren't unusual. Others here have posted on similar situations and their frustration b/c the family elder was receptive to the scammer and doesn't see it as a criminal act. You might to read their posts to get some idea of what they've had to deal with. Unfortunately, most often, it seems to be hard to get help because the elder doesn't believe any exploitation is involved. And apparently police are sometimes reluctant to become involved, depending on the geographic area and/or the specific inclination of law enforcement.
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DeeAnna offers good insight and advice on dealing with your father, avoiding the arousal of suspicion or criticism.
And thanks for the compliments. My head is swelling so much it's actually beginning to hurt!
Be careful while "exploring" your father's house. Try not to disturb too much, otherwise, they may suspect someone is watching them or that someone burglarized the house and call the police. Or they may change how the money is being exchanged and try to minimize the paper trail by putting everything on computer or online banking.
This is a hard situation to watch and sometimes even harder to prove especially if the older man "loves" the attention of the younger female. And this may not be the only time that your father has given money to "pretty ladies in need".
My 2 female cousins (ages mid-30s) "sweet-talked" my grandmother's 90 yr old brother into giving money, used cars, an older mobile home, rent free housing and who knows what else to them over a 6-8 year period. The family thinks that the total was well over $100,000, but they couldn't find all of the documentation after he died.
They also received several thousands of dollars from my grandmother. However, Grandma was smart and didn't leave much of a paper trail. Grandma had money in 20+ (TWENTY+) BANKS in little towns around our rural community. It took Dad 3 years to find all of the banks once he got conservatorship of Grandma at age 94. But the damage had been done. We think the cousins received between $50,000-$100,000 from Grandma.
Sometimes this type of situation starts because the "victim" is lonely or craves the type of attention he/she used to get from their spouse who no longer lives with them (due to divorce, separation, or death).
Whenever you visit your father and his "sweetheart", show a respectful, caring and calm attitude to both of them. Tell your father that you love him. Do not confront or argue with them. And until you have significant proof/documentation, do not tell your father that you suspect his "sweet-heart" of scamming him. He might become defensive.
Good Luck! I hope that you can resolve this situation quickly.
Good Luck OP, these things are so hard to watch! I hope you get a speedy resolution to this problem!
1. First list all the ways in which you think this woman is taking advantage of your father, and gather the documentation to prove it. E.g., if she's taking loans, do you have evidence through bank statements, checks written to her, possibly even a Promissory Note for repayment?
If she's using his funds for personal items, can you get receipts? Do you have keys to his house? If they're both working, you could do some exploring while they're at work.
The period over which this has taken place is important, as well as showing a pattern of exploitation.
2. What kind of "treatment" is she getting? If your father is paying for this, again, you'll need documentation from the source providing the treatment.
3. Is there physical abuse, and if so, how have you and your family become aware of it? Do you see bruising on your father's body? Have you taken him to Urgent Care, the ER or doctors for treatment from abuse?
4. Has she changed her address to his, so that she can get mail there? If so, your state may consider that a permanent change of address and eviction would be necessary to get her out. That might be a red flag that she's not staying just during the "treatment" but has longer term intentions.
5. Do you have any indication that she's done this before, and if so, have you asked the police for a background check on her, to determine if she has a criminal record?
6. If they're working together, I assume he's providing the transportation, but is she still working while getting "treatment"? You might contact the HR Department of the company they work for and ask about her. They won't release personal information, but the call might spark some internal inquiries.
Summarizing, first I would identify the forms of abuse, gather as much documentation and evidence as I could, then either (a) have a family meeting with your father, if you think he would be receptive, but if not (b) go to the police with your evidence, or to APS if there's physical abuse involved.
These "sweetheart traps" aren't unusual. Others here have posted on similar situations and their frustration b/c the family elder was receptive to the scammer and doesn't see it as a criminal act. You might to read their posts to get some idea of what they've had to deal with. Unfortunately, most often, it seems to be hard to get help because the elder doesn't believe any exploitation is involved. And apparently police are sometimes reluctant to become involved, depending on the geographic area and/or the specific inclination of law enforcement.
https://www.agingcare.com/search.aspx?searchterm=elder exploitation
https://www.agingcare.com/questions/elder-financial-abuse-156646.htm
https://www.agingcare.com/search.aspx?searchterm=sweetheart+scams