Why does this generation of elders expect their children to give up their lives to provide for their every need and happiness?

I suspect that the "problems" come here, and when there are no problems we don't much hear from people?

I am 81, my partner is 83. WE don't expect such care, and in fact have for our entire lives tried to arrange things so it would never be needed, have made clear to our children that they aren't to do it. Our children and step children and in laws are all approaching their own elder years--are all nearing retirement or newly retired and doing those things that you do in some of the most free years of your lives, those years when your children are raised and your parent and taking care of their own needs. It would absolutely SHATTER me to think that these years, some of the best of their lives, would be spent worry about and caregiving us.

As to caregiving in the past? It was done at a time when grandparents passed in their 60s. And it was done because there was no social safety net of ANY KIND. You are aware of just how new Medicare is? There was a time, in the depression, when, if you needed medical care and didn't have money you didn't get medical care. Such as it was. Families stepped in because they had to.
My dear Aunt Edna was responsible for the care first of my father's parents, then of her husbands. She herself died an old woman before her time, having devoted her entire life to the care of the elders. It was common in the 1940s I was born into. Expected. Simply DONE by one or another of the children.

In third world countries of our own times now, this is the commonplace, as well. Children giving care to parents. We see many on forum with spouses from another country who fulfill expectations to the detriment of their family.

I took care of my folks for a decade. It was an immeasurable blessing to do so.
They did not expect me to, nor did they guilt me.
I chose to.

Nursing homes are a nightmare....rather like children's daycares are so very harmful to kids but are normalized.

Alva, I’m so sorry. I wish I could go back and change that headline now (but the edit timed out). Looking back at it, it looks like I’m making a sweeping generalization, which is wrong. I was having an emotional reaction to a recent post (I’m like raw nerve these days).

And, yes, as far as the history…FDR’s New Deal is always referred to as a solution for those suffering through the depression. But I’m told it was the ELDERLY suffering that FDR could not abide. Senior citizens who had worked their whole lives standing in bread lines and sleeping outside..

Thank you, as always, for your wisdom.

Native Americans used to leave old people behind when they went on their treks and the elders couldn't keep up. They were no longer useful members of their society and required resources needed for the younger, more productive people. I'm guessing the wolves ate them. Eskimos dumped their old people on an ice floe to die. In Europe not that long ago, they sometimes went to the poor house or the work house, where they might get a meal once a day. People took care of their own when I was growing up, but also the elders were expected to help, such as with cooking, child care, or making clothes, and they didn't live past 70 or so.

I'm familiar with no time in history in which adult children were expected to feed, house, entertain, drive, make appointments, manage a dozen medications, participate in rehab with, do after-stroke care, cancer care, give shots, change diapers of, take out to eat, put up with temper tantrums, manage their dementia, wash and change linens, wash and change clothes, shower, monitor for wandering, listen to complaints, and take on more and more and more responsibilities for their parents well into their 90s and even 100s.

God help us.

I've been thinking about this topic a lot lately.

As Alva alludes to, a LOT has changed in the past 30-50 years. First of all, life expectancy is dramatically higher now. In the past, people would just die younger, and often more quickly , of medical issues. People less often had to deal with issues of dementia/ ALZ etc, which are becoming more common because people are living longer and medically healthier into old age. So a lot of the elder care issues are a new phenomenon. Also, things have changed a lot about what's available: medicare, the availability of alternatives to the "nursing home", such as IL, AL, MC etc.

In the past were there families, cultures, etc who would take care of the elders ? For sure. But things and times were different. Often, larger families lived together. THere were more people to help out. ALso, the elders contributed to the household as much as they were able until they could no longer. So things were more of a family effort all around, with multi generations and even extended family living together, if not under a single roof, then near each other. But much has changed in recent years. Even some "third world" countries are changing now.

As for making promises, and then whether you stick to promises or not, that's another topic, although related. Personally I'm glad I made no promises, and told my Mom before she died, and my dad currently, that there are no guarantees of staying at home, and that a facility will become necessary when it becomes needed. My dad had agreed to this himself in decades past (and even suggested it himself), now denies agreeing to it and has tried to fight against it ! But no promises of staying at home were made by me....I'm glad I didnt promise anything. However, if someone did make a bad promise, that doesnt mean that people can mistakenly make bad promises in the past that they are then forced to comply with?

@Fawnby,
You are absolutely right, but it wasn't only the elders left to the side of the road.
Many societies left babies in times of hardship as well, and in famine areas NOW today the girl children are often left deprived of food so that the sons will live (given they must be there to care for the elders and help with life ongoing).
None of this is unusual. Wolves stop breeding in times of hardship. Not only are our sperm counts going down now, but children are not marrying nor having children as early as once they did in our country.
We follow a natural rhythm much more than we would like to think we do.

This is a good point from Alva. Even if families looked after their elderly in decades past, if they were "dying" , or "terminal" I supposed one could say, they would start preparing for death. When someone reaches the stage of "dying" or "terminal" has vastly changed its definition in recent decades!
If someone stopped eating, for whatever reason (which could simply be dementia) , there were no options for nasal tube feeding, IV nutrition etc etc!
The elderly LO Stopped eating in the not so distant past (and even currently in some third world countries), then the family prepares for death within the next 1-2 weeks....

I'm starting this comment by saying that of course there are exceptions to every rule so don't bite my head off for what is going to follow here. Thanks in advance of reading.

The elderly people of today expect so much from their adult children because they are jealous. Elderly people resent younger people. They often resent each other because even old people don't like old people or want to be around them.

This generation of seniors is all about the entitlement. That they are owed something from everywhere and everyone. The government is supposed to do more for them and give them more. Their families are supposed to happily sacrifice their own families, jobs, homes, marriages, friends, and lives to miserable servitude. All that should matter is their well being and happiness. Also, people are living way too long now.

It's not even about the nursing home industry. Nursing homes were always profit making. More and more elders end up in nursing homes because it's rare to find stay-at-home females who can be cast into the chains of caregiver slavery.

Nearly all women work outside the home today so it's not like it was in times past where a family could live on one income. As for the romanticizing and "cultural mythology" of children taking care of their parents, well that's just one big crock of you-know what. No one wanted to do it then and were pulled into it the same way they are now.

Less elders ended up in nursing homes in the past because there was always an Edith Bunker at home who you could dump a needy elder off on. That's not so today. So the next stop is a nursing home and today's senior population knows it. This is why they try to coerce their families into vowing to never put them in a "home". This is why they greedily hoard of their assets too. Like an insurance policy so their families won't place them. Yet they do anyway.

@Fawnby

Are you a cultural expert on Native American nations and their tribal customs? If you are not then you really can't make such a statement like the comments you've made here because they are very offensive to Native Americans.

@Alva

We do not live in the times of primitive man where the weak and sick were deprived of food to conserve the resources. We don't use tools made out of flint anymore either. Or have gladiator sport. Or keep slaves. We've evolved past that.

There should be nothing wrong and no guilt for putting an elderly person into care when it's necessary. The only issues I have with care facilities is the quality of care and the cost.

I think we find it here on AC because its those people who need help dealing with parents who are not easy to get along with. My parents never gave me the impression I needed to care for them. My girls will be in their 50s when I am 85. I don't expect them to care for me and one is a nurse.

Also, the US has so many cultures where this is a common practice to take care of parents. We have a Chinese family who live traditionally. The parents owned the business, when children got old enough they worked in the business, got married and had children. So then the grandmother cares for the grandchildren while children run the business. I would think that it will be childrens turn to take care of parents when the
time comes. There are 3 generations living in the same house. This is how it has always been for them.

This honor your mother and father is the problem. I had a minister say once its the people who cared for you you honor. If a bio parent never cared for you, its not dishonoring them to refuse to care for them.

The Bible was condensed. Books left out and probably verses too. Since it was a man's world when it was written and men who condensed it, do you not think anything pretaining to women and children was left out? Both were property back then. It could of said " Honor ur father and mother and then parents honor your children. You can honor without doing the care. You don't need to be at ur parents beck and call to honor them. As an adult you leave your parents to have your own life. At that point your parents now enter a new part of theirs. Its up to them to find new interests. Get closer. Plan for old age.

I think it was Lea who said she had a hard time with Mom growing up. She knew she would never physically care for her or have her live with her. What she did do was place her in a nice AL. Made sure she was cared for. Visited and took her presents and goodies. She was her daughter, not her caregiver.

So when a parent starts saying, you will be caring for me in my old age, the adult child needs to say "I will try to be there for you but I will not be doing the caring.

Neither my parents nor my grandparents had any expectation of anyone giving up their wellbeing to provide care to them. Saying a generation expects such is painting with too broad a brush. For me, much of the desire to provide care is dependent on relationships. With my parents, they were dear to me, it gave me a desire to help out. But never the life sacrifice level desire I see on this forum. But I have no such closeness with my in-laws and therefore no desire to ever provide any caregiving for them. The nursing home industry arose, in my opinion, from the medical “advances” (if we want to accept that those advances were to our collective benefit) causing us to live longer. Living better is another question

I couldn't agree more that old people are living W-A-A-Y too long ("endless old age") and that some are definitely overly demanding of their families. I NEVER DREAMED that I would reach 87, especially since I took very poor care of my body in my younger years (I figured I'd be outta here by 75 at the latest). My spouse didn't either--he's 94, for Pete's sake! But here we are. Surprise. So, now what? Hire a hit man?

We did the best we could to save for our old age. We still live independently in a one-story home, with help from a 2X/month housecleaner and seasonal yard service. Our son looks after my car and does occasional household tasks like changing overhead light bulbs and de-cluttering. We are accepting of--although not enthusiastic about--the need for "placement" when we can no longer manage on our own. That time may be approaching. We have NEVER expected our adult child(ren) to provide day-to-day care for us. Never!

Everything gets harder to manage for most people who reach their 80s-90s. Although we could probably finance a comparatively short period of time in a facility, we sincerely hope to have made our Final Exits before our funds are totally depleted. Unfortunately, the cost of care will outstrip the resources of all but the very well-off. Circle back to "living too long". . .

I think the biggest problem is people are just living to long, and to unhealthy. I never dreamed 4 years ago, that I'd still be taking care of my mom, and until reading everyone's stories, I never would of dreamed I could be doing this for another 4+years.
And now I'm thinking more about my aging years. The thought of just existing in a bed for years scares the crap outta me. If the medical professionals want to keep the body alive this long, they need to find away to keep the mind alive, and they need to start letting people decide when they are ready to go on there next adventure. And death shouldn't be treated as a failure. I think the issue is the whole way are society deals with death. Hope I didn't ramble to much

Excellent discussion and points from all.
Back to the title of the OP's post, as someone mentioned, things are likely skewed on our posts here on Agingcare, because the people more likely to post are those who are struggling , on the way to burnout, or already burned out.

So what are the variables on how the children of the elders feel in these modern times? Three key ones:
1) relationship between elders LO's and their children, in the past, and currently. This can be a whole spectrum from strong love and a tight bond, to , at the other extreme, virtually abuse of the child by the elder parent. It sure will affect the success of any helping or caring relationship!
2) Extent of involvement in care by the children. This can range from zero, some help to parents ( but NOT hands on day to day care such as bathing, feeding, lifting), and then at the other extreme, the child doing full hands on care. Again, success of the arrangement and risk of burnout will vary depending on where one is on the scale.
3) Mental state of the elderly LO, including level of dementia, and mental illness status if present. Of course, for extensive caring, mental health of the caregiver will also be an important factor.

Yes JoAnn, it was me who said I had it rough growing up with my mother and saw what having her mother living with us did. It caused utter chaos in the house from moms resentment, and we all suffered as a result. So I made the decision to never take my folks into my home or to do any hands on caregiving for them. When mom said they'd move in with me when they got old, matter of factly, I corrected her right on the spot, saying that wasn't an option. Period.

"Expectations" do not have to turn into realities unless WE agree to them!

I moved my folks across the country to be near me. I found them a great IL apartment for 3 years. I took them everywhere, from grocery shopping to medical appointments to furniture shopping. I unpacked their boxes and moved them in. I moved them into AL after dad broke his hip. I set up a bed and chair and nightstand in the AL for dad while mom hemmed and hawed in IL for nearly 2 months! I then moved her in with dad, with more stuff, and packed up their IL apartment and donated it all to the Salvation Army bc no estate sales were permitted in their IL bldg. Then I moved them from Brookdale to their new and better AL. Then when dad died, I moved mom to a studio unit. Then to Memory Care. And 500,000 other things in between.

All this to say a parent in managed care STILL requires A LOT OF CARE and attention/management by their child/ren. Advocacy and visiting often, meeting ambulances at ERs and on and ON. There are many many ways to provide care for a parent. "Honor thy father and thy mother" does not mean INSIDE YOUR HOME.

Whatever I did do for mom was never enough ANYWAY. That should be noted. Had I caved and taken her in my home, all it would've accomplished was driving ME over the edge to a nervous breakdown because these types of people are NEVER happy anywhere.

That is the message of my long comment: happiness is an inside job. NOT something children can provide for disgruntled parents. Happy people are happy anywhere; they emit a glow of contentment that's visible. Unhappy people are unhappy anywhere they go. They emit a cloud of toxic fumes thats tangible, be it at YOUR house or in the nicest AL on earth. Don't get sucked into the trap of HAVING to take them into your home because they expect it.

In my personal experience it was a cultural thing (Italians from the "old country" where daughters and unwed women were the care "plan") and self-induced (my MIL and her stoopid BA in Finance husband just assumed we'd take care of them after they barely worked, blew every penny they had, borrowed money from everyone and left the world with all sorts of debt).

From being on this forum daily since 2019 I get the impression a lot is just assumptions and bad/no planning. Sometimes it is because those who were diligent and saved could never have dreamt how high the cost of care would become coupled with a long-term labor shortage.

My Mom really really doesn't want to go into a facility but then I remind her she never spent 1 day caring for either of her parents (Grandpa died young of lung cancer, Grandma went to live with her 2 unmarried daughters until 96). So, I've told her the minute she is unsafe in her home or I'm overwhelmed, she will be transitioned (and to the same very excellent place my MIL is in).

I do think Americans have a Hallmark-esque romanticized idea of "aging in place", or overconfidence that their adult children being willing to care for them (never mind able). I tell my 3 adult sons all the time that their immediate families are always the priority, not me and their Dad. We've saved as much as we could and are prepping our minds to put ourselves in a different living situation before a crisis happens to us. We have all our legal ducks in a row. It costs money to be prepared but it will cost more if you don't.

I was just talking to a single senior woman this week. She was complaining that her annual Medicare wellness checkup included someone telling her how to "seniorize" her home for her own safety, specifically getting rid of area rugs. The next day I went to an ortho clinic appointment and met a different, also senior woman I knew from my past who was being pushed in a wheelchair. This woman had a black eye, a broken wrist and some leg/hip break. Why? She tripped on a rug in her home.

Also , as teenagers, doing teenage stuff, my mom would say, I'll get even when I get old and your taking care of me. So it was pretty much put out there at a young age, this is what is expected of you.

Because the current elderly saw leaps and bounds in quality of life compared to previous generations . They are spoiled and they do not want their lives to change . So they came up with the guilt trip so their kids will prop them up , and convinced themselves that they are entitled to that since they raised us .

My in laws also thought they would never get old because of modern medicine. They thought they would stay like a 40 year old until they reached 90 or 100 and then they would just drop dead. I’m not making that up . My FIL died last month still acting shocked that he was failing at nearly 90. My MIL ( divorced ) is still alive still thinks everything can be fixed and is failing at 87 . She is shocked when another one of her just under 90 friends dies of something like a UTI and sepsis or pneumonia . In her brain an antibiotic should work no matter what other comorbidities there are .

My grandparents didn’t act like this . They did not expect anyone to stop their own lives to prop up someone else.

My father wasn’t bad , but my mother was ridiculous , expected me to do everything her way . Wanted me to quit my job , leave my family and move in with her after my father died.

My FIL told us he wanted to maintain his independence and “ lifestyle” . He demanded we take him out to fine dining and a cruise . He expected us to drag around a transport chair , his walker , his Depends etc . to take him on vacation and to visit relatives out of state . My FIL felt he owned my DH’s vacation days from work .

This stubbornness of the spoiled generation to have us conform to what they want only lands them in a facility faster . They treat us like children and are rigid to having things their way which is not sustainable . I know not all elderly are like this , but that’s been my personal experience.

As a side note. A long time ago , Even if family took care of the elderly, most of the time it did not last years or decades . They got sick and died within months . Of course there were exceptions , which is how the need for nursing homes began as medicine was keeping the elderly alive longer .

To my mind there is a difference between "living" and "existing". Not everyone sees it that way, but I think some on this website do. I'm not there yet, but more humane and realistic options should be available for end-of-life to anyone who CHOOSES them. Although I have stated my wishes clearly in writing, it is still likely that my senior cat will have a "better" death than I will.

Great point: sometimes I wish I were one of my cats!

Still the most outrageous expectations I have heard were face to face. The woman was getting nervous about retiring, had diabetes & maybe some other health issues creeping in. It went something like this;

My children will need to come & look after me. Move in with me.

🙄 Right. What do they do again?

One is in the military, posted overseas. Married with kids. The other has a farm, married with kids.

🙄 Right. So you think one of your grown children will leave their career, spouse & children to move in with you? Leave the military or leave the farm? Just go without their income?

Well they will HAVE to! I'm their Mother! That's what you have children for! I don't know what else to do!

🙄 You will have to make changes.
YOUR life is changing, therefore YOU will need to adjust & make changes.

No no no, I don't want to change MY life. I like living in my big house. It's just big & so I need my kids to come & clean it. I'm getting old so they have to come & cook for me & drive me (when I can't). I will only have the aged pension money to live on, so they will need to pay the bills too.

😶 Wow.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gosh I needed a good laugh..
Well good luck I said.

When I was a kid, my 80 yo grandma fell and broke her hip. This was in 1965, a month or so after Medicare started.

"I'm to be an invalid" grandma sad, to all her friends on the phone. "My daughter's will have to tend to me "

Daughter 1 (my aunt) was a full time teacher with 3 minor children.

Daughter 2 (my mom) had three of us also, including my 18 month old baby brother.

Grandma was sent to "rehab"--a new concept for middle class folks. Now that there was Medicare, it wasn't just rich folks and soldiers who got rehabilitated.

"You're sending me to live amongst strangers?!" wailed my grandma. She never forgave my mom.

But I learned that you CAN say no to ridiculous demands, even if it's your mother making them.

@Beatty,
You described my mother , including
“ That’s why I had kids”.

My mother was also irate that we had her use her money to pay for my father’s funeral and then to prepay for her own . She wanted her kids to pay for it .

Yes my parents simply did not make any decisions about their future care. They wanted to live in their three story starter house that they bought in 1962 with no bathroom on the main floor where they spent most of their time. And then all of a sudden there was one crisis after another either health or some major problem with the house. And then my siblings and I found ourselves knee deep in caring for them.

I think that was their plan all along—do nothing so their kids would have to just assume the role of care slaves by default. We just got sucked into it.

Not only do they expect you to take care of there every needs, they expect you to do it exactly they way they would do it. Like mopping moms floors, she wants me to mop, but wants me to use the mop she wants, the cleaner she wants, swish it the way she does. ( Little bit of resentments there, that are coming out, that I didn't even know I had. Haha) they want everything do there way. But do not want you butting in and tell them anything. Like maybe we should sell dad's car that hasn't been outta the garage in 4 yrs to by you hearing aids. That went over well. (Not) and they complain about entitled millennials!

@Beatty

Excellent story about the woman who expected her kids to just pack it all in and become slaves to her in her old age. My mother is like that. When I was struggling I moved in with her and agreed to help out. She never cared much for me at any time of my life, but wanted me by her side 24/7. She was not kind and decent to me. Complained incessantly because I didn't work (yet all I did was work) but then would work herself up into panic and crying if I took some work because I wasn't with her all the time.

These elders like her who expect their adult by their side round-the-clock then get very upset when that adult child asks for $10 for gas because they drove them around all day. These seniors not only expect their adult child to become a full staff of domestic servants all in one, but to be the entertainment and companionship as well. You're also supposed to come with a Swiss bank account because they want you to be able to somehow mysteriously pay for everything so they don't have to spend a cent.

I lived this way, Then I knew I had to walk away and so I did.

@waytomisery

I've been told the "that's why I had kids" nonsense by my mother too. Then I remind her that the real reason she had kids was because basing your birth control on the phases of the moon is not effective.

Lily, I think the most important question is "Why can't grown humans place boundaries with their senior parents?"

I have many friends that are in their 80s and 90s, none of them have the expectation that their adult offspring will forsake their own lives to prop them up.

Bar none, they are all appreciative of everything anyone does for them, because being old comes with challenges we don't face, they are a pleasure to be with and they have happy dispositions. They acknowledge their need for assistance and ask kindly for that help and accept it graciously.

I believe that learning to not let anyone, mom, dad, grandparent, spouse, etc. dictate to us, at our own peril, is far more important than what the senior is trying and often succeeding at doing.

Time for people to accept responsibility for their own decisions, regardless of who gets mad or throws a tantrum or takes them out of the will or the thousand other things people do to manipulate others.

Just my opinion.

ITRR,

Much easier said than done if you were brought up purposefully isolated , abused and groomed for servitude from birth .
My mother even used to call me Cinderella .

And why give the senior brats behavior a pass and blame the elderly care problem on how the children react ? SMH

The answer is educating people to prepare for their elderly years . As well as this country becoming better at resources to care for the elderly as well as giving the suffering elderly “ an out” if they choose . Until that happens many are stuck because the only other option is to walk away and leave the elderly without care or an advocate .

It boils down to two things ,

1) They had relatively spoiled lives compared to previous generations and they don’t want things to change .

2) Fear .

I was told from birth that holidays were for spending with your parents. I had no idea what boundaries were. Just assumed everyone’s room was searched daily. I was taught religious discrimination but, thankfully, not racial. Children were to be seen and not heard. Nothing I ever did was good enough so I had to keep trying harder. Having an emotional response was bad. Having wants was shameful. Ironically, only trust and depend on her.

When my father died, and then my husband, I got “You had your chance for happiness and it’s over.” When I remarried the demands increased and worsened as my children were born. I bet she perceived them as threats. Having kids of my own really opened my eyes. No way would I treat my kids like that! (also made me question the cruelty of religion)

Dementia certainly exaggerated her behaviour, but I doubt she’s had dementia for 30+ years. And she did not help her declining parents. Monthly visits at most.

I am left questioning so much. Believe me, I feel like an idiot for not recognizing the manipulation and standing up for myself decades ago.

@Ana,
I’m right there with you . You aren’t alone . It’s hard to set boundaries when you were brainwashed . Your aren’t an idiot .