Mother-In-Law is 97 y.o., in excellent health except for failing short term memory and the onset of dementia. Her needs are few because she is so self sufficient however she never baths. She does take a cat bath or sponge bath but it's proving to be insufficient. There are times when the odor emanating from her is over powering. So much so that her brother, whom we recently visited with her, called the next day to inform us. Some of it is urine because despite not being incontinent she does have a small leakage issue (like when she sneezes). The other odor, as far as I can discern, is a feminine hygiene issue. Being her son-in-law I'm not real comfortable with bringing the subject up and it turns out neither is my wife. So I'm not sure how to address this with her. Looking for some suggestions to get past this situation.
You should call an in home care service who can have a bath aid visit. It will be $20 per hour or so probably with a 2 to 3 hour minimum.
Her dementia might be a problem. Might take some trickery and fibbing.
And search this sight for a bunch of info on elders and hygiene. Your not the Lone Ranger on this issue by a long shot.
This is a tough conversation to get started with someone. It's like telling someone they have bad breath. One thing I could think of is to buy some prepackage cleaning cloths for Mom-in-law to try. You can tell her these are easy to use if she needs to freshen up quickly, and here are a variety to try out.
Just go down the grocery aisles, in the baby section are baby wipes [get scented ones as the unscented have a blah smell, scented might make Mom-in-law want to try them]. In the toilet paper aisle are bathroom wipes, but they aren't flushable. And in the personal health sections are feminine hygiene wipes she can use.
I think Windy's suggestion of hiring in help is a good one, hopefully you can spin it as a desire to help her feel more comfortable and alleviate any worry that she may fall. Is her bathroom set up with a bath chair, hand held shower and grab bars? Extra heat is nice too.
As for the incontinence, many women who are much younger have stress incontinence, there are some pads she can use that are especially designed for this and the smallest are very discrete.
Maybe it is time for pull ups. Or if that doesn't work, sanitary pads. I never asked Mom if she wanted a bath, I just told her it was time for one. Again, I would tell her she stinks. A handheld shower head is great for getting to those areas. I agree that what they eat may be a problem but I also read it has something to do with the skin cells as u age. Using deoderant soap helps. I use Loves baby wipes. They are thick and big. You can use these for a quick wash. For some reason with Dementia, one of the first things is not wanting to bathe. They worry about bowel movements but don't want to bathe.
I witnessed this ONCE and let the poor aide have it. I said "You are here to HELP HIM BATHE , so do your dang job!!" We still had issues, but FIL had bowel incontinence and wow--he got really smelly. I'd just gave up trying to be discreet and nice, since I was also the one scrubbing his fouled clothes and underwear (when I could find it, he'd hide it around the house!)
Never a really "clean" type man, he didn't like to shower, it was hard for him, but he had to have his behind cleaned every single day, whether he liked it or not. Sometimes I'd threaten to strip him down and scrub him myself (while hubby cowered on the couch)...that alone would terrify him into washing. (sigh)
As wonderful as it would be to be kind and gentle, sometimes the whispered "you stink" makes the difference. You wouldn't let a baby sit in a soiled diaper, why would you let an 80 yo? Some people can be cajoled and babied along, some require tough love and tough talk.
Best thing for us was dad's frequent hospital stays. The nurses made him shower everyday, no questions.
My mom also relied on sponge baths, when she finally allowed herself to be showered by someone she commented that she "tingled all over", and that was a good thing! Until I began to look I did not know there are so many helpful incontinence supplies, waterproof bed and chair pads etc. There comes a time when the caregiver child has to step in and take the leading roll in the relationship that was once dominated by the parent, even though it is uncomfortable and feels disrespectful and unnatural.
When my mom was at that stage, I would start the water running, get her shower chair in place, use a space heater to warm the room, get her towels ready, put soap on the wash cloth and says, "time for a shower momma." Then I was there to help her out and put her robe on.
Your MIL's demensia is far enough along that you are saying she won't remember to use a "poise" type pad...so that means someone needs to help her put the pad in her panties, or open it and get it ready and hand it to her to put in her panties. Caregiving quickly gets much more hands on with demensia. Sorry, it is just what happens. One thing not mentioned yet, or at least I didn't see it, is having her checked for a UTI. That can create odor too.
Another thing I did in the early stages was to get a couple of Peri bottles. I would put a mild soap with warm water in one and then one with clear warm water. On mornings mom didn't shower, while she was on the toilet, I would spray her Peri area with the soapy water and then with the clear water. It helped clean her down under a bit.
They make flushable most wipes... Adult disposable wash cloths... No rinse soaps... All can help in these situations. With some demensia patients, it is the running water that they don't like so they do better with a bath. Again, some assistance may be needed.
One thing is for sure when dealing with demensia/Alzheimer's.... This too shall pass...it is progressive and this stage will pass and you will have a whole other set of issues and behaviors.
I think Windy's suggestion of hiring in help is a good one, hopefully you can spin it as a desire to help her feel more comfortable and alleviate any worry that she may fall. Is her bathroom set up with a bath chair, hand held shower and grab bars? Extra heat is nice too.
As an elderly carer I usually walk in and straight away I am talking, " Okay...shower time..." and if they say: "No, later..." I say..."Thats fine... ..but phew, what"s that smell? Is that pooh in your hair?" OR: " You have been told that you NEED to have a shower and you are to have on today then you don't have to have one this afternoon." It's difficult though , you must speak empathetically and it can take a couple of days of constantly talking and maybe even getting another carer in who speaks the same as the first carer.
But the most empathetic and goodest response in my mind is Grammyteacher. Check it out.....it's a dialogue with someone who suffers demensia/Alzheimer's...wow, what a caring person.
I am exactly where you are now. I am the daughter in law of a bright elegant 96 year old with short term memory issues. She used to take daily baths on her own and get dressed in a nice outfit everyday. Now she only gets dressed when there is somewhere to go and needs to be reminded to bathe. In addition, she has become incapable of wiping herself well after using the bathroom. If she has an accident, she tries to wash out her clothes in our sink and does a poor job.
Since we all use the same bathrooms, this is not acceptable.
We do set up the bath at least once a week and tell her it is a good time to do so now.
We also have taken away her panties and replaced them with disposable pull-ups, the nice ones that fit like underwear. We have those and some wipes in a basket by the toilet, along with a smaller covered trash can. The basket and the trash can are "labeled" with instructions such as "underwear and wipes." I have a brief instruction sheet in the basket to change underwear daily and when necessary.
Whenever she takes a bath, we grab all of the used clothing and do a laundry load. We also have a cover over the sofa wher she sits. This is washed on a regular basis. I also have jars of odor absorbing gel in her room and sitting area.
Occasionally, she does state that she is offended that we think she is "dirty ". We tell her that she is getting forgetful about baths and that we are helping her to remain elegant and pleasant to be around. We also tell her that it is necessary to be clean when living with others. This conversation takes place 1-3 times a month.
The other writers are correct. This lack of awareness of her own hygiene is due to memory (dementia) issues and aging. She does not remember and she does not smell herself. She cannot fully take care of herself.
If we get to the point of too much care and no cooperation, we are considering more in home help or assisted living.
I hope that this is helpful. It sounds like you truly want to be respectful of your MIL.
One "tactic" I didn't see mentioned was bringing in an authority figure to broach the topic with your mother-in-law. Set up an appointment with her primary care physician ('just a routine check-up") and ask the doctor to be the bad guy. Generally speaking, older generations respect authority figures and will listen to them when given instructions. Perhaps you could arrange to have one of her doctors tell her that her hygiene is problematic and needs to be addressed? She might be less likely to push back and more likely to follow orders. Even if she receives it poorly, you can continue to blame the doctor when you make efforts to help her stay clean ("I know you're not wild about this, but the doctor said we have to do it."). Your mother-in-law's dementia may thwart the efficacy of this strategy, but it could still be worth a shot.
You could also try to get her doctor to instruct her to use the bathroom modifications you said you've made.
I worked for a Senior Move Manager and was trained as an Aging in Place Specialist (for those who planned to live safely at home as long as possible), and we found the "authority figure" method to be particularly effective. The adult children would come to us months after trying to convince their parents to either move into a Senior community or make modifications to their home for aging in place. Even though we might be saying basically the same things the adult children were telling their parents, we could get their parents on board because we were seen as authorities rather than their "overreacting children."
You sound like you've been doing a great job, and you're way ahead of where many caregivers are in this kind of situation.
You may have covered all your bases for the bathroom, but I wanted to share a pretty extensive guide I wrote that you may consider sifting through just to double check everything. Just putting down all the things I learned while working in this world - hoping it can be helpful to others: https://thehelpinghome.com/aging-in-place-at-home-definitive-guide-part6/
Part 6, 7, 8, and 9 all have to do with hygiene. Maybe you'll find something in there to be useful.
Best wishes!
Jason
I wanted to mention that my mother in law developed 4 tract infections within one month involving an entire month of hospital stays and rehab.
We finally started washing her bottom and she has not had one tract infection since.
She does not wipe properly.
It is the unthinkable and we try to be matter of fact as to allow her to keep her dignity.
It is necessary.
We even had a home health aide come to the beach house where she was vacationing with my husbands family.
Good luck!
Good luck!
odor issue. I think as caregivers your wife and yourself
need to be much firmer, it isn't going to get any easier.
If you can get her to bathe well, and the "intimate odor" continues, you should see a Dr. She could have a yeast infection or some other kind of Ph balance issue. She could have an overgrowth of pubic hair and it needs to be trimmed. (Yes, this happens) That would certainly trap more odor and be pretty rank. I guess I don't really understand what you mean by has "feminine hygiene" smells. I'm a little befuddled by that.
Just getting the old urine smell gone is usually the hardest, as it clings to everything. So potent. Not bathing is simply not an option, so good luck with this. Or rather, to your wife, b/c I cannot see a SIL stepping up to bathe his MIL.
I think re-training mom to use different 'cleansing' methods. The big wipes, the prepackaged washcloths that hospitals use that foam up and then are used to wipe the person down. No rinsing needed. Those can take the place of a bath for a while.
Also, check her hair. My grandmother had very thick hair and when she got very old and could not keep her weekly hair appts, she developed something like cradle cap--the oil in her head built up something fierce--and it smelled awful.
I really feel for you--I went to mother's one day and she was standing stark naked in the bathroom while my brother bathed her. You'd have thought she was Cleopatra--she was positively reveling in the attention. I said "Oops, I'll come back" and she said "Oh, no stay and chat. We're having a lovely time." (Brother looked at me and mouthed the words "ONE of us is having a lovely time". Bless his heart.
Getting in & out of tub & cleaning it can be a worry for even active seniors so this may contribute to problem - use this as an activity with a family member[s] to start with so that she goes as an 'outing' not a clean up issue -
If someone could do a liberal spraying of a deoderizer while she's out will help also - otherwise take old socks filled with kitty litter & stuff them down sofa etc. - replace every few weeks
Stop telling people, who ever it may be, that they should feel responsibility of anyone regarding aging individuals, if the feeling is there, then they already own that to the degree they do, so let them work out their own situations regarding "feelings!!!!!!!
Good God the man (if in fact the poster is in fact a man) .. a man should never have to clean the a**, breasts, nor vaginal areas of a female. (Unless it's his wife or child) and even then, out-side help would be easily found to do such a task of thorough bathing. (one thorough shower per week is sufficient for a 97 year old. Any more will dry the skin causing chances of skin issues that include itching and skin tears and abrasions to be more frequent.)
Unbelievable .... someone Telling this guy to put a glove on and make sure poop isn't dangling?????? Then you have someone Telling him to spray a sh** ton of air freshener???( good way to throw a 97 year old into a respitory attack) .... I swear to god I think some who respond are not of their full-facilities, actually based on some of the comments psychological assessment red flags are popping up all over the d*mn place.
This is 2017 not 1900... this man has resources that he can draw assistance from within his community, and if her insurance is governmental or private both will have bath aids integrated within assistance. She's 97 years old for so stop telling him to start talking with her, and start telling him to bring someone in once a week and get it done. It's not time for a hygienic intervention to reteach a 97 year old what's acceptable social hygiene. (I'm cracking up out of pure disbelief and blown away what many of you've written...)
You folks need to direct him in the way that will both alleviate his concern and minimize the event all together.... , but for god sakes knock the guilt crap off """ yes I said 'crap Off" and stop the weirdness many of you seem to love to publicize ..... (some of you have clearly lost it... wow. "One flew over the coo coos nest, and "mommy dearest are flashing through my mind reading these from some of you.)