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What about if you put dad in HER home?

Your sister is known as a blowhard. Ignore her threats.
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Sue for what? How is she injured? What are her damages? What total nonsense.

That for starters. Now on to the issue. Your father needs a diagnosis and someone needs to be guardian or conservator if he did not, when competent, create a POA. If he has a will he may already, even unbeknowst to him, have done the paper for a POA to take over should he be adjudged incompetent in his own care and decisions. You would need minimally letters from TWO doctors to this affect, almost certainly, so your/his own doc needs to make that referral to get the ball rolling.

You then need to see an elder law attorney to be made his guardian. Be certain you know the rules, the fiduciary responsibility for record keeping and bill paying and etc., and know if you want this responsibility.

Your Sister's choice is to come get Dad and care for him 24/7 if she is able. And the rest of it is to totally laugh at her when she spouts nonsense about suing. Tell her to get a lawyer then, and have a great time paying his/her bills. What utter drivel!

Good luck. Follow up with doctor and attorney (if needed) to get Dad in a safe place. If he is able to understand POA he can likely still attend an attorney with you and appoint you POA.

What happens when you speak with Dad about the necessity of placement now?
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AlvaDeer Sep 2023
Or, as Handel on the Law always tells folks, tell your sister to "Go Pound SAND".
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If you have Financial POA and Medical POA, your all set. You have all the control and all the decision making. You find a place Dad can afford if an Assisted Living or Memory care. If no money, then u will need to place him in Longterm care with Medicaid paying for his care. If you sister is not willing to do the care, then she has nothing to say in the matter. Anyone can sue for whatever reason. I agree, a lawyer probably will not take the case anyway. Neither she nor a lawyer can make you care for Dad. POA does not mean u do the care. It means you make sure Dad has shelter, food and clothing.
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B, you are on the right track in enlisting the help of his doctor. Get it in writing, keep the document safe, and if I were you, I would cease communicating with sister about dad's health. Any records, keep them locked up somewhere. None of that is her business.

When my dad assigned me POA, Rude Aunt said that if I tried to have him ruled incompetent, she'd see me in court. He wasn't incompetent or even approaching it. The thought had never entered my mind. But she WAS threatening me - over nothing. That was the day I knew she'd continue to make trouble if she could. She wanted to be his POA. She never would admit that he was dying, and she continued to be a problem after he died. When I was executor of his estate, she actually did take me to court over mishandling the estate, which wasn't true. Dad's estate lawyer was well-versed in estate law, and I did nothing without running it by him first. The judge threw Rude Aunt's complaint out of court, but it cost the estate thousands to defend against her.

The reason that I'm mentioning the above about Rude Aunt is that I thanked my lucky stars that once she started yapping about taking me to court, I didn't share with her any details of Dad's medical condition, business dealings, etc. It made her angrier, but also she had no fuel for the fire she was trying to light.

Keep sister out of the loop from now on, and good luck with placing your dad.
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JoAnn29 Sep 2023
As POA your weren't suppose to tell anyone anyone about Dads finances or health condition. Was Aunt in the Will? Because I thought only beneficiaries could contest. Also, should have asked the judge to have her payback the estate when she lost.
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You can't be sued over such a thing. There's no neglect or abuse. You're the PoA. She hasn't lifted a finger to help. Plus, attorneys cost money and they like to take winnable cases and your sister has no evidence, no case, nada.

What she could do is attempt to get legal guardianship for your Father ($10K or more). If she does that, then resign your PoA and let him go live with her and then do not offer any help unless it's to move him to a facility.

If you wish to shut her up you can point out that, as the PoA, you may need to protect your Father and caregivers from toxic people. You have the ability to block her number, block her from visiting or maybe even get a restraining order against her. Turn the tables on her and see what she has to say about it then. But, don't make any threats that you aren't willing and able to carry out.

Also, read your PoA doc to see how to activate your authority if you haven't already done this. It may require 1 or more medical diagnsosis of cognitive impairment. Do this asap.
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You have two choices here.

The first is to do what has already been said and have your father placed in AL or memory care then inform your sister after the fact. Or simply wait until she reaches out to you to inform her.

The second choice is to pack up your father along with all of his things and drop him off at her house.


I'm pretty sure she won't appreciate this because she one of those 'all care but no responsibility' as Beatty so rightly says in the comments.

Yet she expects you to report to her regularly on his care like she's your boss.
Really tell that B-word to go pound sand. You don't have to tolerate her behavior.
If she actually goes so far as to have a lawyer contact you (which is unlikely because lawyers cost money) tell him you'll gladly give over POA and she can be responsible.
Preserving potential inheritance will not be so important to her if she has to take any caregiving responsibility.
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I hope you have POA.
I would not even tell your sister anything anymore . Wait until Dad is already in a facility and send her a post card FROM DAD announcing the address of his new home .
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DrBenshir Oct 2023
Or not. BMartinez can see if sister calls or writes to Dad.
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It is so easy for people to throw threats and lawsuits at the people who are doing the work. Bottom line, she doesn't want to lose out on any inheritance.

Like others have said, do not give up your job to stay home and care for dad. Please consider having him placed. It will be safer for dad and save your sanity. As for your sister, she sounds like the one who needs to be placed.
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Sue for what exactly?

"she conveniently refuses to take him". I see..

Sister has a case of 'all care but takes no responsibility'.

How you handle your sister depends on your style.. ignore her, laugh, eyeroll or sit down hold her hand & listen to her feelings.

But that is a side issue. The main agenda is getting Dad the care he needs. If that is a supported & safer living environment, work towards that.
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Beatty Sep 2023
PS It's not your job to diagnose or break through sibling denial. You can point sibling towards talking to the Doctor - sometimes they listen more to professionals.

My own sibling, very caring, had immediately jumped to exclaim "but they wouldn't want...!!!" Common sense was just rolling off like water to a duck's back.. it was all about the emotion.

Regardless, I stepped out for a holiday, sibling stepped in to LIVE some if it. Nothing like some real life to crack open the denial & bring acceptance.

Dementia brings grief to the family. While your sister is very entitled to experience the loss of the Father she knew, to grieve.

You cannot sue grief. Nor can you sue dementia.
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Oh Please, she has no grounds for a lawsuit, she is just bumping her gums.

Having money to sue means nothing, if you have the DPOA then your stand is that she either takes him or he goes to AL with a step-down program to MC.

Don't let her bully you, your responsibility is to do what is best for dad.

She sounds like a real winner.
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SAFETY.

If he’s not SAFE, his POA takes charge and assumes responsibility for ARRANGING humane, appropriate care, NOT NECESSARILY ADMINISTERING IT.

What will Sister’s grounds for a lawsuit? Has she explicitly described how Dad’s care would be less OR more illegal if residential placement were considered, assuming that you are no longer willing or able to provide 24/7 care for him?

YOU have the RIGHT to do YOU. Sister has the RIGHT to do sister.

If a POA has been granted, SOMEONE has the legal obligation to function as POA.

If this lands in court, SOMEONE will be paying money that will be wasted, because DAD should be paying for his own care, and if he is destitute, SOMEONE needs to educate themselves as to how to set up and pay for his care.

I wish I didn’t know what this situation was like, but I do, personally. Hope you both are able to come up with something that works…..
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What is your sister going to sue you for? Looking out for your father’s best interest? What a jerk. She has no right to dictate what you need to be doing for her. The priority is what is best for your dad.

She sees she might lose her inheritance since he will need to pay for his care. That is what this boils down to.
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lkdrymom Sep 2023
Just what I was going to say. Sue for what? Responsibly assessing your fathers care?
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Laugh at your sister. Seriously. Her threats have nothing behind them. Put your father where he will be safe, you are not responsible to give up your life and stay with him 24/7
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Since your sister is a jerk …. I’d be more worried your sister could sue if something happens to Dad while he’s living at your home under your watch . She could claim you didn’t keep a close enough eye on him and he was a vulnerable elder that you did not keep safe . Get Dad in a facility ASAP .
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Drop your dad off at your sister's house, and tell her he's her problem now.

And don't forget to tell her that if she puts dad in a NH you will sue her.
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Dupedwife Sep 2023
I love your reply.
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Here's what you do NOT do. Do NOT resign your job (assuming you have one) to keep an eye on your father 24/7. It looks like you think it's time to place your father in a facility. Do you have POA/HCPOA?

Does your sister have the money to actually sue you? A lot of people threaten to sue, but then never follow through, because they think an attorney will do it on contingency. This doesn't sound like an attorney would take the case on contingency.

If your sister doesn't want your father in a facility, then it's HER turn to take him in. What does she say about that?
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BMartinez Sep 2023
Exactly what I told her, but she conveniently refuses to take him. Yes unfortunately she does have the money to sue. I am poa and feel it’s time for a home. I’m guessing I need to get this in writing from the doctor
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Your sister is an idiot. Just ignore her and do what's best for dad.
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