My mother finally passed about 4 days ago.
It was quite a relief that she finally passed. It is awful to see anyone suffering in that way towards the end. Most of the time she was drugged up and probably not suffering. But occasionally it was the breathing problems she would experience.
I was relieved that she passed finally after having such a low quality of life for a long time.
I was not sure how my grief experience would be. Surprisingly, I have shed a few tears in a spontaneous uncontrolled way which I never expected. I'm not sure if I am grieving at her loss, or the loss of a parent I should have had or just at the general sadness of the situation.
I spoke briefly at the funeral. I shed a lot of tears trying to prepare what I was going to say but managed to hold it together when I spoke. I think it was all the trial runs I did in private that neutralised the emotion of it.
It is a strange kind of grief. I don't feel like I have lost anything as such. Nothing in a practical sense. My mother was never a source of support in my life. So, there was already a void there, There was not really much of a relationship there as such. I do think, what have I really lost? There hasn't been anything there for me for the last 30 years. For a very long time prior to the dementia. For the vast majority if my life. So, its somewhat of a nothing. But still, I think I am experiencing some kind of grief. Maybe its just the bringing up of negative past memories in my mind,. Or it might just be the loss of a parent brings up grief even if there was no relationship there.
I do think though that I will probably have gotten over the grief within a few days. And more or less have forgotten about it. Nothing has really changed in my life in practical terms.
Has anyone else experienced grief of someone you had a bad relationship with? A parent in particular? How was it for you?
I think I had already been through a grieving process. In fact, one of several years, probably starting from about the age of 10, grieving the absence of a parent and its been repeated over time. And then with the onset of severe alzheimers again a couple of years ago.
So I think II have become accustomed to not having a parent really there. The loss was already long gone. So there wasnt really much to lose. So, in many ways I think my grieving process was much easier than people who have a functional relationship with their parent who dies.
All I lost in recent times was the form of a parent, rather than one of substance. A parent who still existed but wasnt REALLY a parent there for me. Not for a very long time.
There wasnt anything left to grieve for or lose other than the notion of a biological parent who existed. So, I think it was actually quite an easy grieving process to be honest. Certainly much easier than it appeared to have been for a friend who lost their parent not long ago with whom there was a strong positive relationship.
A friend told someone close to me that they felt bad for not doing more for after attending my parents funeral. They were told to not worry because the parent wasn’t all that great and I was fine. I share this because I don’t know if this is how you feel but when I heard this story it made me well, I’m not sure - ill, disgusted, disappointed, well, at the least, I have a lower opinion of both of them. Why? Because life is valuable and precious whether or not it was lived like we think it could’ve or should’ve been lived. Grieve however you wish. It will be just fine.
While I believe your feelings are not unusual, what may be unusual is being so honest about how you are feeling now.
It is understandable that you would feel a kind of "grieving bewilderment" or certainly very complex, confused, mixed feelings. You lost a mother who was never really there for you. And yet, she was your mother.
* I suggest that you allow whatever you feel (or don't feel) to go through you without 'too much' analysis.
- Let the feelings flow.
- Feelings during grief change
* EVERYONE's GRIEF experience is unique to them.
- Don't expect yourself to fit into anyone's mold of what grief means or how 'it should' be experienced. There are 'no should' in grieving.
* I did have a similar experience when my dad passed away. I like to write (even then, over 45 years ago) so wrote the memorial reading. As he was a sea captain, we had a service with the Neptune Society. It was just my mom and sister and I - the immediate family. I might have cried one time in the first four days, I don't even remember.
*. I don't want this post to be about me - I share out of a similar experience with a parent who was not there to support me (I was often terrified of him) -
- and it is important (as a way of healing) to realize that he didn't know how to be supportive or really 'a dad'.
- Perhaps your mother didn't know how to either. I can't remember one time he gave me a hug or said he loved me.
* I truly appreciate you for sharing how you feel. Even feeling numb is feeling something if we feel through it. It might feel like emotional protection around your heart. A defense mechanism to feel safe.
* Perhaps writing is a vehicle for you to get out whatever is going on inside now - ?
* When my mom died (almost 25 years ago), I enrolled in two different grief groups (one for general loss, one for losing our mother). In hindsight, I feel the group experience(s) were a shield or focus 'in the way' of feeling, although I did not realize that at the time.
- We do what we can and feel is right 'for us' in the moment.
* Trust your intuition and whatever you feel and perhaps forget the label 'grief.'
- The grief may come out in feeling anger. You likely have decades of anger built up from the life you missed. (I surely know I missed out a lot due to minimal - no support and grieve for the person I could have been).
* All your feelings are valid and allow yourself to acknowledge and respect them.
* Do not judge how you feel, just feel it. Catch yourself when you start to judge yourself and reframe your thought(s).
Hugs to you,
Gena / Touch Matters
I sometimes wonder if I'll grieve the fact that my mom never allowed herself happiness in her own life and if that will be a source of tears.
My family life was different from yours in that I had caring, loving though dysfunctional parents/family life.
My mother's mother was the most loveable woman, however after her hip was broken she gave up and was taken over by what I though was dementia - a nurse recently told me it was probably delirium. I pre-grieved her death. I watch this vibrant old woman as she shrunk and became a shell of herself - I was relieved when she died to be released from her shell into her new self.
It was the same way with my father. Now while he cared and loved us, he had his emotional problems. Nevertheless I did love him even though at times I found him sometimes hard to like. At 91 he was diagnosed with heart problems including Congestive Heart Failure. He was already experiencing mixed dementia, though his mind had not yet turned to custard. After coming home from rehab, he decided to take no more active treatments and went on hospice. The truth is he was tired of living and had been praying for death since around 89. I was sorry that my dad no longer felt useful and tired. Here too I grieved his decline and emotional pain. After the initial shock that he died, I only felt the grief for a couple of days - again I was relieved that he was freed from his earthly bonds and experiencing a new life where maybe again he feels useful.
Now, if my mom age 88, who is in relatively good health would drop dead tonight, I'd be devastated and unprepared even though I'd know she was facing better than what she has today.
Just because you don't grieve in a prescribed way doesn't mean you haven't loved that person.
If a parent doesn't show loving support of their child, and causes emotional (and/or physical) trauma), the 'love' is misguided.
If an adult child who did not have a supportive relationship with a parent feels love, it isn't 'really' love, it is a very psychologically wounding attachment - to the only parental figure they have known.
It is very complicated.
I had to learn how to be-come my own mother, non-judgmental and unconditionally loving. I learned this in my 40s with lots . . . and lots more . . . tenacity and years of hard inner work/exploration. It becomes a way of life - being aware of feelings, making (new) choices, which become new habits.
Through this process, I learned to feel compassion towards my own mother, who didn't know her 'self' and had emotional/psychological issues brought with her from her childhood. SOME ONES NEED TO BREAK THIS CHAIN OF BEHAVIOR. I did although I didn't have children . . . However, I wouldn't have been psychologically 'ready' until age 46. A bit late. Thank God I didn't marry / have kids in my 20s or 30s.
In essence, we learn that our parents did the best they could, even if not good at all or to be real, abusive.
I have felt that people wanting to have children should have to go through certification or perhaps get a degree in human development . . . something so they can [understand the need and learn how to] change the cycle of automatic behavior and deal with their own wounding before they have children and pass it on, which likely 99% of the population does. Hopefully, it is lower than that as years go by and more people become aware and heal, themselves.
Gena / Touch Matters
There have been so many good answers here. They've helped me as I am going through the same thing right now. My abusive Dad died in June. I was with him for the last two weeks. In his mid-90s, he still raged against death and did not go gentle into that good night. He was on hospice, but the medications didn't seem to work that much. For the last nine hours, he needed comforting and his hand held about every two minutes. My son was there with me, and my brother for a few hours, but it was exhausting. I am still haunted by that night. My Mom was so quiet when she died. As she was in life, sweet and gentle, asking for nothing for herself.
I was the child who was always wrong about everything and about all my choices in life. In the later years, my Dad badmouthed me to many people. I have been having a recurring nightmare. My dream is my father in his coffin in the funeral home during the service, In the dream, he sits straight up and turns to look at me and yells "Look at what you did! I am not dead, and you put me here. You never could do anything right."
I have not shed a tear. I am in more of a "just keep going" state. There's so much to do, a houseful of stuff now being auctioned, 20 boxes of family photos, so far, two dumpsters full of trash, an estate to manage that's not uncomplicated. Luckily, I have a great paralegal/lawyer team from another city who is helping me with that. I just couldn't work with someone in this community. It would be too much.
But on top of it all, my Dad was a pillar of the community, and the acting job I am doing is getting exhausting. Especially surrounded by all the detritus of life and well-meaning people who knew only his good side. My Dad improved and saved thousands of lives in his career. But a family man, he was not. My brother and I, nonetheless, honored his legacy, arranged a nice funeral, and listen to the praise with respect and understanding.
I don't know what is going to happen when I finally head home in a couple of weeks. If I mourn, it will only be for what never was. And how long it took to finally be over. My Dad would have died 21 years ago if not for advanced medical technology. Last night, someone offered condolences and praise, and I just couldn't put on the appropriate face, say the appropriate thing. To heal, I need to get back to my home, my friends, my routine, and probably try to get some therapy. I wish you all the best and much support. This is not easy at all.
There have been so many good answers here. They've helped me as I am going through the same thing right now. My abusive Dad died in June. I was with him for the last two weeks. In his mid-90s, he still raged against death and did not go gentle into that good night. He was on hospice, but the medications didn't seem to work that much. For the last nine hours, he needed comforting and his hand held about every two minutes. My son was there with me, and my brother for a few hours, but it was exhausting. I am still haunted by that night. My Mom was so quiet when she died. As she was in life, sweet and gentle, asking for nothing for herself.
I was the child who was always wrong about everything and about all my choices in life. In the later years, my Dad badmouthed me to many people. I have been having a recurring nightmare. My dream is my father in his coffin in the funeral home during the service, In the dream, he sits straight up and turns to look at me and yells "Look at what you did! I am not dead, and you put me here. You never could do anything right."
I have not shed a tear. I am in more of a "just keep going" state. There's so much to do, a houseful of stuff now being auctioned, 20 boxes of family photos, so far, two dumpsters full of trash, an estate to manage that's not uncomplicated. Luckily, I have a great paralegal/lawyer team from another city who is helping me with that. I just couldn't work with someone in this community. It would be too much.
But on top of it all, my Dad was a pillar of the community, and the acting job I am doing is getting exhausting. Especially surrounded by all the detritus of life and well-meaning people who knew only his good side. My Dad improved and saved thousands of lives in his career. But a family man, he was not. My brother and I, nonetheless, honored his legacy, arranged a nice funeral, and listen to the praise with respect and understanding.
I don't know what is going to happen when I finally head home in a couple of weeks. If I mourn, it will only be for what never was. And how long it took to finally be over. My Dad would have died 21 years ago if not for advanced medical technology. Last night, someone offered condolences and praise, and I just couldn't put on the appropriate face, say the appropriate thing. To heal, I need to get back to my home, my friends, my routine, and probably try to get some therapy. I wish you all the best and much support. This is not easy at all.
Your grief will go through different stages as you become more comfortable with her passing. Other suggestions here about how they lived through their parental passings may be what you experience and they are fine. She held the position of being your mother, bad as it was, but you gained knowledge in how to have relationships with other people(not her way). Best wished as you live thru this time.
Please accept my condolences for your loss.
I was the last child born to an older abusive father who seemed so nice to most all but his nuclear family. He was a very smart, narcissistic, probably PTSD, severely angry, physically, emotionally & verbally abusive, twisted to where he enjoyed any of us suffering & frustrated man who grew up unloved by his mother & neglected/hurt by his alcoholic father. He had to move 22 times during childhood so he ran away to other states before his parents agreed he could enter the military for WW2 @ 16.
Talk about someone who never should’ve had children or even have been married. We siblings all left home @ 17 to attend college funded with no help from him because he said no one helped him. He never attended college but he could’ve worked his way through like we all did. I found out before he died a few years ago that he partied for those important years after the War instead of going to college but he had always blamed his parents for paying for his baby brother’s college & not his. Bad choices made him bitter so he took it out on all of us, especially our sweet mother, who was fooled by his acting abilities before marriage.
Anyway, I was the child he resented the most & like several of you, ended up being his caregiver until the end. He had PTSD, vascular dementia, another undiagnosed dementia (the psychiatrist said undiagnosed due to his rapid mental decline by the time I was able to get emergency guardianship) psychosis & extreme rage.
Dad was very difficult to deal with & I felt like I aged 100 years in 1 year of 7 hospital visits/transfers where he yelled & threatened anyone & everyone attending him. I had to apologize everywhere he went & even wrote apology notes to some nurses & techs w/ gift cards.
No one @ any of the institutions were sorry to see him leave.
I tried to show Dad only kindness & to talk to him about how I was able to forgive him through Jesus.
I arranged everything for the funeral he had never planned & took care of all of his messy paperwork & estate with almost no help from my siblings. I felt no grief, only relief, @ his funeral. I was the only one with him when he took his last breath.
I did not feel guilty for being relived when he died because it was only normal after having a father like him.
I prayed to forgive him before he died even though he never changed or showed he’d repented of his abusive ways. God helped me so much. I truly felt so free that I wanted to sing & dance with joy after he was gone.
It took 5 long years of work to tie up his estate since he had no will & refused to give the power of attorney to anyone so probate…
It took that long to help my ailing mother realize it wasn’t her fault dad was abusive & that she couldn’t have been a better wife & mother. She is now living more free from him (after 64 years of abuse) than we siblings ever dreamed but her health is now declining rapidly along with her mind. :(
I (and my siblings) will cry when Mom dies because she was so loving and kind to all of us. I have been her sole caregiver in our home for this whole time. What a journey.
sorry this is so long & rambling but I feel much lighter after sharing. Maybe this will help someone else, if not you.
When he passed, I was mostly relieved. Sad for sure, but no tears to speak of. He died at the beginning of the pandemic, and we still haven't had a celebration of life, so I don't know how I will react to that. But now that I don't have to battle him, I think of him often. I don't miss the stubbornness, but I do miss him.
As soon as I turned 18 I married and left home. It was a disastrous marriage, but I managed to take care of myself and find others who taught me how to love and be loved. In spite of the childhood neglect and abuse I have lived a good life and learned to become a kind person.
When I was in my '60's I started making amends with my sisters and mother. At 65 I left my home on the east coast and moved back to the west coast to be with my family again and help to care for my mother in her home. Their were limits to what I could/would do, but we managed to work out. I could not be with my mother in her home--too many bad memories--but I could take her out for scenic drives and for lunch. I learned to actually enjoy these little trips. Before COVID I also used to take her for little mini shopping trips and other fun outings. I was a little surprised to find that I was learning some measure of what it means to be part of a family as a sister and child, not only as wife and mother.
Nevertheless, when my mother passed just 2 months ago I did find that I had no real sense of loss. Her life at 96 had become very difficult and I could only feel relief that she was gone. My life will be easier now that she is gone. I am looking forward to a life that does not include my mother but may include at least one of my sisters. For those of us who did not really experience nurturing and love as part of a family experience as children it is hard to feel much when the non-nurturing parent dies.
The last two months have been difficult at times, dealing with settling her "estate" and all the memorabilia that I have been happy to let the others have. I am letting go of all the pain and baggage again, maybe for the last time. I would like to think that I might live the next 10 or 15 years, or whatever is left to me without much thought about the person who was supposed to have been my mother. My life was much more complete when I left her home and I look forward to having my life without her needs in it.
This is absolutely profound.
I honor or bow to you in a Namaste.
You survived extraordinary circumstances.
Thank you for writing and sharing with us here.
Gena / Touch Matters
I still tear up a bit when I remember that dream.
Now I am looking at another situation that could be similar. If he dies before I do, I wonder how I will react at his funeral. When everyone is hugging me and giving their condolences, how do I appear to be truly sad? Will I be sad? Maybe it will be like my mom's funeral, and I will cry over what could have been and what should not have been.
Anyway, I do feel for you, and I'm sorry you had a difficult time with your mom.
I will say a prayer for you.
Although my situation was different than yours, my Mom was just the opposite, a SmotherMother and very controlling, I feel I understand some of what you say.
When my Mom died I tried to understand the immense grief I felt.
It was mixed with a bit of relief, first because it was over, second because she was no longer suffering.
But there was more and I was able to describe it, in time, as grief over her death, grief over her life ( which had been a very painful one) and grief for my life with her. And, the life I never had with her.
The passing of your Mother, whatever the relationship was or wasn’t, is also a passage for us, to our own mortality.
It took me every bit of 2 years to grieve my Moms death. Then, the darkness lifted and I went on.
Allow yourself to feel — whatever it is you feel. If it’s grief, cry. If it’s anger, allow it. If there is any shred at all of her Mothering you, acknowledge it. A picture of her holding you as a baby, a baby shoe she kept, anything. You may not believe it but there was feeling there. Someone held, fed you, changed you. Maybe that was all she had to give.
You sound like an intelligent and caring person. That is your tribute to her.
And yes, in spite of everything, it’s ok to love her. She was your Mom.
But those mental issues (which ranged from wild mood swings, to delusional thinking, to strong anxiety and paranoia, among others) made dealing with her extremely difficult, and her go-to reaction to anything was to lash out, blame, accuse, shame, demean, condescend etc. She was very controlling, critical, divisive (triangulating drama between me and my sibs), somewhat narcissistic, judgmental, and verbally, emotionally and occassionally physically abusive. She had a real hard time with appropriate boundaries and I had to work very hard to maintain any normal sense of self, self-esteem, and peace - which largely meant keeping her at bay as much as possible. And the more I tried to do that the more she tried to bust boundaries.
I know you will be utterly unsurprised that out of her 3 kids it fell to me to care for her on inhome hospice the last few months of her life. It was mentally and physically the most difficult thing I've ever done. I didn't want to be there, dealing with her needs up close and personal. I got very minimal help/relief from the sibs - one for work reasons that precluded his ability to be there more, and the other, who prioritized the needs of her church over those of my mom. And her being on hospice didn't take a whole lot of the fight out of her, either, til the very end.
Like most people here, I felt mostly a sense of relief that this difficult person was gone from my life for good and release from the overstressed life I'd been living trying to hold down a full-time job from home and caring for her and meeting her demands (she treated me like hired help, essentially). But I found I also grieved - not so much for the loss of HER, per se, but the loss of the relationship we never had and now, will never have. It's not like I didn't try with her - I did. But I also refused to let her bully and control me and thus everything was a struggle. I know she loved me in her own way but it just wasn't enough. And she made herself unlovable. Literally no one in our family was sorry to see her go. We just felt like we had to do the right thing and take care of our own - and she didn't want to go into a nursing home.
My dad was a saint, I don't know how he dealt with her as long as he did. I suspect he would have left at some point, but given how custody laws used to be, I'm sure he didn't want to risk leaving us with her alone, and having to support two households on top of that on a printer's salary (mom was always so unstable she couldn't hold down a job).
So I feel your sadness and confusion. But given the circumstances it's totally understandable and expected. Prayers to you, and peace.
Stage 1 - Denial - the feeling of numbness that this loss isn't "real"
Stage 2 - Anger - the feeling that this "loss" isn't fair or somebody is to blame
Stage 3 - Bargaining - the ineffective efforts to bring back what was "lost"
Stage 4 - Depression - the feelings of sadness and regret when realize the "loss" is permanent
Stage 5 - Acceptance - the feelings of peace that comes when OK with the "loss" and going forward with your life
In some ways, you have probably already processed all of these stages since you had the "loss of a mother" in your life since she wasn't really able to be the parent you needed. In other ways, you are experiencing fresh grief dealing with the loss of her as a person in your life.
Some have said that the depth of grief is related to the depth of the relationship. I am not sure that this is an accurate statement. I actually believe all deaths can be placed into 2 categories: "death you wish for" and "death others are comfortable with." "The death you wish for" is being alive and healthy and just dropping dead suddenly: no pain, no illness, no long debility. Family and friends hate this type of death since they are not prepared to lose you. The experience traumatic grief. "The death others are comfortable with" is protracted, lingering, slow and painful loss of ability until you take your final breath. Family and friends are more comfortable with this death since they hate to see you suffer and find death a release from that suffering. Unfortunately, this means an agonizing existence at the end of your life until you succumb. Since it appears your mom had the "long death process" you may have already grieved the loss of her awhile back and have only a few stages to reconcile.
I’m guessing this is just the messy part of life that people refer to. I’m trying hard to learn from it. I walk around feeling a big old heartache most of the time. Your answer is helpful today.