My husband and I are without family except for our daughter who is 41 yrs old. She has estranged herself from us. We are really nice people, really we are. We were not abusive to her in any way, but she says she is done with us. We are 72 and 85. Husband has been unwell most of 2020. I told her in a letter that we could use some moral support and I told her how old we are. She replied that she knows how old we are. That I was trying to make her feel guilty. No word from her since then. She has blocked us on social media and the phone. We are not asking her to come to our town and take care of us. All I ask is a Christmas card and mothers/fathers day card. Maybe she could call us and inquire how we are faring during the virus, but nothing from her... Do you think there is any hope here with her? What should I do about this matter?
PS she is a professional in the health field.
Since you wrote a letter and she responded, that is a little glimmer of hope. She read the letter. So, perhaps you could send another letter, but make it about HER, not you. Just mentioning your age, she claims you are trying to guilt her. So, nothing about you or hubby in the letter.
Ask her how SHE is coping with this virus (those in the medical field have a very difficult and dangerous job - no clue what part of "health" she's in, but probably more exposure than you get.
Ask her if there's anything you can do to help her.
Ask her if she can try to explain why she feels you are try to guilt her (on some level, mentioning your age and asking for "moral" support is a bit of guilt laying - not excessive by any means, but clearly it bothers her.)
Even if she doesn't reciprocate, continue to send her cards for birthday, holidays, just because cards, without asking for anything or expecting anything. Send your love in these cards. Say that if she ever needs help with anything, you'll be there for her. But nothing in these about either of you. Even if there are some medical concerns, try to leave those out. These are only to reassure her that you aren't asking for anything.
Some people may interpret reaching out, mentioning age and asking for moral support will mean asking for more and more later. She may have witnessed this with a friend or co-worker. Unless/until you can find out from her why she has closed the door, it is really all you can do to assure her that the door isn't locked on your side.
You might try the following. Instead of telling your daughter what YOU need, you might consider sending HER cards on Christmas and Birthday, telling her you think of her and wish you have a better relationship with you, and should she ever wish to contact you that you are very open to listening to what you might have done to cause her to withdraw from you.
Meanwhile, make good relationships, pretend that for all intent and purpose you never had a child. Make good friends, have reciprocal network set up in which you help others to get to appointments, negotiate problems, and where you can lean on them in times of need.
Wishing you the best of luck.
I have a friend who feels she was a great mother but one son is estranged the other keeps in touch but not regularly. She expects too much from people. She is a Debbie Downer. Everything is everyone elses fault. For years I have been wanting to tell her to look at herself but didn't have the nerve. Maybe if I had she wouldn't be in a NH at 71 alone.
I am not saying this is you, just saying sometimes we need to look into ourselves and see if its something we did or said. It doesn't need to be a big thing that sets people off. Maybe your husband did or said something. Your husband is old enough to be her grandfather. Maybe that generation gap is too big.
You are not going to patch your relationship until you find out what caused the estrangement. Since she does read your letters maybe you can write asking that you would like to know what brought on the estrangement. If she is right or wrong you apologize. Because whatever it is, this is how she feels.
Both my parents would make the claim that they are really nice people too. Except neither of them wanted me. Both have done incredibly cruel things to me many times over the years, but each would say I deserved it. I have very limited contact 100% on my terms. I had zero contact with my dad for a decade. I had zero contact with my Mum for 4 years after my marriage broke up.
I know exactly how old my parents are and I know exactly how much care I would provide either of them. Zilch.
I agree with others who have said to write your daughter a letter asking for reasons why she cut off contact. Or if you already know the reasons, it's best to swallow your pride and own up. I also agree that you should continue to send cards to her. I know I would. I love my children so much that I don't think I could withhold love from them even if they don't return the love. I pray that would never happen.
In the meantime, it's best you try to have your own social outlets with your own friends.
Good luck.
But you really do need to look at the why. Perhaps you don't know the why but if you think about it you may come up with some reason that she might put distance proactively because she knows how you might react to her choices. Or perhaps you do know the why and don't want to admit you may have some culpability. Or perhaps she is the one with issues and you are genuinely not responsible.
My grandfather used to say there are at least 3 sides to any story, your side, my side, and the truth. As humans we often skew our perspectives in favor of ourselves. You can't and won't likely change her. So I suggest taking some time to look inward. You can't make her do anything. You can only change how you deal with her. Look at her life from childhood to adulthood. Were there missteps in either side (the answer there is yes for all of us). Has she indicated that she has resentments that you have brushed aside or not addressed? You said she told you she is done with you. Those are generally not the words someone uses out of the blue.
I'll give you an example. And I'm most certainly not saying this is you, just saying it is one example of a person who maintains they are perfectly nice. There are 8 close family members for my FIL. He is a narcissistic, demanding individual who cannot see his own behavior. He was mentally, verbally and physically abusive to my husband and his sister growing up. He is still mentally and verbally abusive. Questions every single decision-easy fix- he loses awareness of our decisions. He ignored his grandchildren when they were growing up. (Like truly ignored, didn't acknowledge). So now they ignore him. They have cut him out. They are done with him.
It could be she is participating in choices that she knows you would disapprove of, so she removes you from the equation. It could be that there are old hurts and she needs time to heal. It could be that you were asking for more from her than you realize and she had to draw a line in the sand.
But the reality is that you can't change her. Period. You can only change you. Your approach. Your behavior.
Just a thought, because I have parents that think it is all about them and never ask how I am. I know they don't care and I don't have time for their games when I am dealing with life issues, so cutting them off is the easiest way for me to not have more stress because of their crap.
Search your actions and make sure that you are not disregarding her during your time of need. She is dealing on the front lines and she is probably stressed to the max, give her what you demand from her and see if that doesn't change the dynamics.
I am thankful that the Lord gave me the will, desire and opportunity to care for my mother. I know I did a good job of caring for mom and I miss her. I hope your experience is as positive as mine. Remember to lean on God. He's got your back.
If she is working currently in her field, she may be very busy with work and close to burn out. She may keep distant to keep you healthy. She may not have the emotional reserves to connect with you if she is heavily involved in caring for COVID patients. It is a really bad year when it comes to COVID.
She may also desire to have a life that doesn't involve you. Not saying you did anything to deserve her cold shoulder. Please consider connecting with her yourself with phone calls and letters. Please also connect with other people - young and old - as friends to create a social/support network you require.
I am one of 3 sisters. One of my sisters, lives in another state, calls my mom (a really nice lady) several times a week and they visit in person twice a year. They are cut from the same cloth. I am total opposite of my mother and live 1 hour from her and I am the only daughter that lives nearby. I see her once a week and call her 1-2 times a week. We have done a few projects together that required almost daily contact and she doesn't respect me as an adult... so I limit my interactions to those that maintain healthy boundaries. The remaining sister is very busy with her career - travels almost constantly before COVID. She has nothing in common with my mother and probably considers that my mother does not enhance the life she lives and desires. My sisters and I had a very abusive father and mom was very co-dependent in that relationship until she left him 30 years ago. Seeing my mother reminds her of the abuse... so she rarely connects with my mother. 3 women and 3 very different types of relationships. Which of us is doing this senior parent/ adult child relationship correctly? Not sure, but we all try to manage as best we can.
Can you consider how telling her how old you are in writing might be interpreted by her as “.....trying to make her feel guilty”? Would you have some reason to think she herself might not know how old you were?
You are certainly not too old to seek counseling for dealing with your own feelings about this very sad life situation, but if you choose to take that direction it will “work” most effectively if you can push yourself to allow the therapist to pursue topics that may be very painful for you to discuss.
I am older than you, and for reasons that I understand, but cannot change, I was a very poor mother to my two children when they were very young. I am very grateful to have better relationships with them now, as adults with families, but I absolutely DO NOT have expectations of them because I gave birth to them.
Are you willing to consider your feelings of loss if the breach between you cannot be repaired? You and your husband deserve good things and pleasant experiences in your life, even in the face of a loss of a relationship that is very important to you, and that you wish were different.
1) Was the estrangement sudden, or did the daughter just gradually break away "out of the blue"? How long ago did this happen? Was the time the daughter said she was "done" with the parents the first time there was any indication of a problem, or was it building up to this over time?
2) Is the daughter married or in a relationship? Does she have children? If the answer to the former question is yes, did the parents have any relationship with the spouse, and what was it like? The context suggests that the answers are likely to be "no" but a relationship might not be considered to qualify as "part of the family".
3) Considering the current state of politics, does either side have strong political views that clash with those of the other side? Are there religious issues?
4) How far apart do the parents and the daughter live? If they are quite close, the daughter may fear she'll be required to take on caretaking tasks. If far away (and especially if the daughter is single), she may fear that the parents will try to "guilt" her into moving back "home" to take care of them instead of allowing her to be completely in control of "her own life".
5) How often were the parents and the daughter in communication before this happened? What was the relationship like during the daughter's childhood and afterwards? At what age did the daughter leave home?
6) Assuming the parents are correct in that they were not abusive in any way, it is possible someone else (another relative probably deceased, or a friend of the parents) was abusive toward the daughter (or molested her) and the parents didn't believe it happened or take it seriously if the daughter reported it? Are there other friends of either the parents or the daughter than the other dislikes? Is it possible that the parents have done something the daughter considered abusive even if the parents didn't?
7) The mother is the one who has posted on the forum--is the father equally concerned, and if so, would he have worded the posting differently?
I realize these are a lot of questions, but if we knew the answers to these, it might help in providing some insight as to the cause of this estrangement. They might also jar the memory of the parents, reminding of something important or relevant that they've forgotten.
I wonder if the daughter is simply a "loner" who isn't interested is maintaining contact with family or perhaps other people, too. She could be using the possibility of a caregiving situation as the tipping point for making sure she never has to have or continue a relationship.
That is how it reads to me, that is how I would interpret it if I was the daughter in the scenario, and in fact, that is exactly how your daughter took it. Frankly, I cannot find another way to understand it, unless there is some compelling reason to share your ages with your daughter.
This gives me a hint that while you think you are a really nice person, you want your daughter to do something for you and you are willing to guilt her to get what you what. If I follow this line of thinking, this is why your daughter is estranged from you.
Just my two cents, but I also wonder if you posted here in order to collect supportive responses, then share them with your daughter. Was that your intention?
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Even if you could figure out what's going on with your daughter, I seriously doubt you'll rekindle the kind of relationship you want.
In the meantime, I certainly hope you have a plan to help yourselves with legal, medical, and care issues as they arise because you certainly can't factor in your daughter for any of these.
If she is your only child, there is a lot of pressure in that role. I know, I am a "super only" since I was raised by my mom AND her 2 older sisters who never married nor had children. I have 3 mothers and no siblings. I have to ask if your daughter is of a different political bent than you and your husband? Nowadays there is a real (and very sad, very selfish, very immature, very ignorant, very very intolerant) tendency to "cancel" those who think or vote differently than you. Maybe involve yourselves in a worthy mission where you can pour your parental talents and energy into the lives of those who have no one to help them. This would be edifying, healthy and purposeful for you two. I wish you success in moving beyond your attachment to your "daughter" and much peace in your hearts that you're doing the wise thing with your futures.
call her about once a month and say something like “hi. We’re calling just to say hello and that we love you. Take care of yourself” and then hang up. Dont ask for anything.
dont ask for help or say youre depending in her.
she’ll either help you or she wont and youve made an attempt for contact without making a guilt trip on her.
then ... investigate agencies you can depend on for assistance and get your help from them.
The only thing you can truly do is see a talk therapist...many do these online now, and work out how you can live with this situation. Don’t expect her to be different and you won’t be disappointed.
Maybe if you stop pushing if you are so wonderful and not controlling or guilt-inspiring maybe she will approach you. Until then if you have other children be grateful and if not check into local resources for who will be there for you both since she cannot be counted on.
First, I want to commend you for reaching out to your daughter to try and reconnect. This was an act of love and giving on your part. I had a similar experience with my son for many years. I decided that I would give to him and show him my unconditional love without any expectations of receiving anything in return. For me, this meant sending cards, texts, gifts on holidays and telling him how thankful I was to have him as a Son. I knew that I was only responsible for my own actions, thoughts and prayers and not my Sons. I prayed for him every day AND protected my heart from disappointments, hurts, anger, bitterness, etc. This was not EASY to do. I decided to love my Son without judgement. Slowly over the years, the door opened for our relationship to mend and strengthen. We continue to work on this even today. I also realized that God would meet my needs as I focused on him and He has helped with the relationship w\my Son and he also opened up doors for other relationships in my life that being joy and fulfillment. I am very grateful for these things. May God bless you in your journey😊
God Bless you, HoneyBaker.
It is impossible to make a fool of yourself if you are trying to pull family back together. It may take repeated attempts, but perhaps this woman CAN figure out what her daughter needs from her. And it doesn't necessarily come down to a dollar sign - it could be something as simple as an I'm sorry