After temporarily moving in with mom out of care and concern over a post op recovery, I am burned out. Mom has a history of mobility issues which began before I was born (30+years).
Over these last few months I have seen a lot more of mom and her issues than I've ever seen before.
Long story short, this time was an opportunity to help mom, evaluate her needs, monitor her post operation and discuss long term care. What I got was a fight.
A fight with even getting her to medical appointments because she will not schedule them as agreed. You have a discussion with her, agree on dates and times, and she flat out does not schedule them or schedules them way outside of what was discussed.
Almost everything with her is a fight and then a discussion with a neighbor, relative or pastor (flying monkeys) where she takes no accountability and I am the horrible person. But then a week later she is so grateful to have me there.
It really is bizarre in a way, but honestly it's not entirely new. She has been this way just about my whole life. It's just up to now, I was denial or raised to flow with the discard, love bomb, discard. I also did not fight back or question her as much as I do now, which I know she does not take kindly to people that question her or offer other ways of thinking.
Granted I have not done everything perfectly. I am not perfect, but who is? She really showed just how selfish she can be, that she could care less about her long term care needs, etc. Even if her lack of care causes others hardship. She doesn't care.
She seems to believe that she has to fight everything. What is wrong with compromising?
She can also be sweet as pie. People believe she is so nice and helpful, which she can be, but there is this side, when the "mask" is off, that I and maybe 1 or 2 others can see.
My question is how do you care for a parent that seems to enjoy games, fighting, chaos, values the prospect of "winning," and bad mouths you for even the smallest of things? For anyone else, this would be game over. You just get out of the game. But it's just not that easy with a parent, especially being an only child... or am I wrong?
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courage.
i’m also in a similar situation.
you wrote:
“If she likes to argue all the time I have learned to let it go in one ear and out the other.”
i never do that. but i’m going to try your suggestion! it might help me a lot.
hugs to us all, nextcare2, everyone!
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how kind of you that in the past, you moved in, helped her.
this sounds great:
that she loves it in AL, listens to the carers, and you can save your life!
i see it in my situation too, exactly like you:
arguing against me on everything, even solutions that are very easy.
in general yes, abusive people treat strangers/carers better than family (in particular daughters). it seems millions of us daughters are in the same terrible situation/being treated terribly by the very people we care for.
in my case:
nursing home/facility would kill my loved one. (pandemic/corona outbreaks).
it depends where you live, how high the risk is in nursing homes.
in my case, home is best.
for many reasons.
my technique is:
to try to get someone else to say the ideas/solutions to the loved one. if the idea comes from me, the loved one argues/says no.
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your concrete examples sound EXACTLY like mine.
i agree with what people say: it’s narc behavior.
i’m adding to that, regarding my case, your examples are identical!
-fights
-everything is a struggle, when some things can be solved in a simple/smooth way
-make the whole process/whatever decision take more time/energy
i doubt your mother would behave like this if you were a boy.
it’s because we are daughters. some mothers are quite mean towards their daughters.
mean, nice, mean, nice, etc.
what do i recommend?
it’ll never stop.
you might feel depressed, exhausted, etc.
i myself am lying in bed right now, trying to shake off this morning’s abuse/torture.
you might notice if you give your ideas/solutions to a man to tell your mother, she might agree with those ideas/solutions.
you see — the only real way your mother/my loved one will ever stop fighting/treat us well, is if they would be happy (you can have health problems and still be “happy”, overall happy person).
how do we make them happy?
they enjoy at times, being in a bad mood/angry/fighting. as someone said, it’s exciting for them! entertainment. it’s not by chance. it’s fighting on purpose because they enjoy it/get a high out of it.
how do you make such people happy?
they want conflict.
you want peace.
even if they’re “happy”, they’ll still want to lash out on you once in a while. you’re a great target to have.
to make them really happy, they would have to have quite a different personality.
try to protect yourself.
abuse/torture is damaging for us. it won’t stop. try to get others to say ideas to her, not coming from you.
really the trouble is, we’re like marionettes — they choose whether we get to have a relaxed conversation/good day or lots of fights.
hug!! try less contact (more ideas coming from a man/other person than you).
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i hope you have a GREAT day today!! :)
bundle of joy :)
(sometimes mothers aren’t nice to their sons, but it’s rare) (very common mothers are mean to their daughters).
jealous.
similarly, some fathers are mean to their sons (rarely are fathers mean to their daughters) (of course, there are exceptions).
i’m saying this, to say, her treatment of you is kind of out of your control (you can set boundaries; the abuse/torture will always come back/sudden lashing out on you).
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wishing everyone a GREAT sunday!!
bundle of joy :)
If this is just all about her normal personality, no dementia, then ask her why she makes it more difficult for you to care for her. . . is there someone else that she may think can do it better. . . would she prefer to live in a facility where her care is provided by others. You might also ask her - why would you say X and X about me. It is very hurtful and I'm doing the best I can to care for you. Sometimes they've played the mean game for so long - and it worked out for them - there was never a reason to taste the words before they were spit out of the mouth.
If she has needs that she can't address, then report these to the doctor's office. You can sometimes lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!
Let her discuss you with her "flying monkeys" all she wants. YOU know what you've done and tried to do, and it isn't working, so it is time to go. Don't let anything she says to you or the "monkeys" bother you. You know it is all lies.
"She really showed just how selfish she can be, that she could care less about her long term care needs, etc. Even if her lack of care causes others hardship. She doesn't care."
So, why should you care? You do, of course. Anyone might, even if it wasn't a relative, but your caring isn't going to change anything. You can still care and want to help, but on YOUR terms, not hers.
"What is wrong with compromising?"
Absolutely nothing. But compromise means both sides giving in a little. She isn't giving in at all, so there won't be any compromise.
"She can also be sweet as pie. People believe she is so nice and helpful, which she can be, but there is this side, when the "mask" is off, that I and maybe 1 or 2 others can see."
Many of us "see" this as well. It makes it hard, especially when she tells those who can't "see" all her BS. We can't change that, but we can refuse to be complicit in it.
At this point, if she is more or less capable of self-care, make a list of doctor names and numbers, what follow up should be done and leave that for her. The list could also have contact information for hiring aides, if she needs help in the home with cleaning, laundry, preparing foods, etc. You can include a note indicating that you will be willing to assist when absolutely needed, but keep that ABSOLUTE! For instance, if she can't drive, you either schedule shopping dates or arrange to have items delivered. You do NOT drop everything because she's out of milk. If she decides to go to an appointment, she either makes it for when YOU are available or she'll have to reschedule. Do NOT let her dictate when/where you are needed or what you will do. YOU decide.
Pack up your things and provide her with a departure date, and LEAVE on that date. No waffling! While to some this may sound cruel, what she is doing is cruel and somewhat abusive. We can only be abused and taken advantage of if we refuse to stand up to it. Make a stand.
You need to learn some new dance steps, because you cannot change what she does except by way of how you respond. Get some therapy and arm yourself with some useful tools on how to deal with a difficult person. (If she has dementia, though, all bets are off, but you also shouldn't be expecting someone with dementia to be making her own doctor's appointments.)
So many folks see her as a sweet little old lady. I just ask them if they would like to take care of this sweet little old lady and they shut up real fast.
But, for those who only see the sweet little old lady, HAHAHA! Yup, so true! Staff at MC would always tell me how sweet and funny my mother was. My response would usually be, sure, but you didn't grow up with her, did you? So, who IS this person in my mother's body? Who snatched her body??? ;-)
Funny too how quick they will back away when you suggest they take over!
Wait until she actually asks you to do something to help her, and then - if it suits you and it seems sensible - go ahead and do that. Do *only* that. Don't be tempted to add on lots of extras unasked. Being her only child doesn't give you the right (or the obligation) to get involved uninvited.
It's often because older people fear having their lives taken over (and so would you, and who wouldn't) that they delay asking for and resist even the help that really would improve their own sense of wellbeing. They are afraid to let in the thin end of the wedge.
1 - Get her evaluated by a doctor. Start with her primary care physician who may make referrals to a psychiatrist, for mental health evaluation and treatment and/or a neurologist for dementia evaluation and treatment. Ask the doctor(s) to evaluate your mother for mental competence as well as mental health issues and dementia.
2 - Start creating boundaries on how you handle her difficult behaviors. I suggest reading any of the books about boundaries by Cloud and Townsend. They are counsellors who have helped many people dealing problem behaviors in others.
3 - Gather a healthy community of friends and family around yourself. Your mother may never change her ways, but you need people who love and nurture you.
4 - Decide the next steps. If mom is considered mentally competent, it might be time to put more distance between you. In other words, move out and let her be responsible for her life - and the consequences. If she has mental illness, she might benefit from inpatient therapy for a period of time. If she has dementia and is a danger to herself, it might be time for her to live in a residential community.
Without this ,it can be hard to help anyone else.
Please don’t fall in the guilty trap of thinking “someone else’s life is first. No,No.
During this life journey we only can do what are able to do. after you done this ,let go, and pray for the love-one. Your life does matter first !
It is incredulously painful to watch a loved one, or family / friend who you feel for make decisions NOT in their best interest. Often though we are unable to intervene, for legal reasons or family dynamics, or both.
It ISN'T a matter of being WRONG.
It is a matter of accepting WHAT IS.
Your mom's MO is as you describe.
All you can do is not engage in the anger / arguing.
Acknowledge how she feels and leave it at that.
For instance, if she says something like:
"You did xxx and now you've caused me to feel anxious and angry.
Your respond: I understand you are feeling angry now at me.
DO NOT ENGAGE in her anger.
You are wanting / trying to use common sense and effective communication and compassion with a person WHO CANNOT do this. When you 'get this,' you will shift your feelings and dis-engage - give yourself some room "based on understanding - where she is mentally / psychologically / and distance yourself from taking it personally.
She will not change.
You can.
Yes, it may be very hard and even emotionally painful - this is your mother.
Do you take her bait. Stop being the fish she reels in !
After these episodes, do something NICE for yourself. You need to give yourself the positive, unconditional love that she cannot. You need to fill yourself 'up' with loving kindness. We all need to do that and not expect it from other people, even or especially our loved ones / our parents. gena
Pack your things and make what arrangements you need to to go home.
Since mom is fighting tooth and nail there does not seem much sense in it.
Often family has to wait until some event happens that will land a loved one in the hospital, rehab then you can stress to the Social Worker that it is unsafe for mom to return to her home.
I hope you have discussed with mom the importance of you having POA so in the event she can not make decisions you can do so for her.
You can not MAKE someone accept help
You can not MAKE someone see that they need help.
You do not indicate any medical conditions your mom has other than you moved in to help her after a surgery. If mom is cognizant she can make decisions for herself. If mom has dementia then she should not be making decisions and she needs full time supervision. If that is the case you might have no option but to seek Guardianship.
And if she has dementia there is no "winning" because Rule #1 is...you will never "win" an argument with a person that has dementia.
You go home and you play the "waiting game" you wait for something to happen that will make her realize she needs help OR you are forced to make decisions for her.
The only things you are allowed to do, by law, is if she is a physical danger to herself or someone else.
I’m so very sorry! Meditate in prayer and see a counselor for your own well-being.
"Bipolar disorder, also known as manic depression, is a mental illness that brings severe high and low moods and changes in sleep, energy, thinking, and behavior. People who have bipolar disorder can have periods in which they feel overly happy and energized and other periods of feeling very sad, hopeless, and sluggish.Jun 16, 2020"
I don't think this woman is bipolar - she isn't showing the highs and lows, she's just being her usual jerk self. They are sweet as pie to others, but when the door is closed, the gloves go on.
My mother wasn't too bad, esp if/when I was aware she was pulling this kind of crap, but yes, I called her a fence-jumper. It's black, no it's white, anything the opposite of what you say, even after you give up and agree! That isn't bipolar. There may be some other condition, or it's just who they are. Staff at mom's MC used to tell me how sweet and funny my mother was... Really? So I would ask who snatched my mother's body? Who's in there now??? ;-)
The approach of "It's hard when it's your parent"... did she ever make any sacrifices or devote her life to you? No. She had her whole life to get help, learn to be a good mother, and to prepare for old age. She did none of these things, because she expected you to step in for her. You've sacrificed most of your life to her craziness. Why are you letting her take even more from you?
I am surprised the "Oh this was your mother, she took care of you and changed your diapers" gang hasn't shown up yet in response to this! AUGH!
Getting out of the game does sound like safer strategy... way less emotionally exhausting. But only child.. Hmm.
What about: not IN the game, not OUT of the game completely, but at the sidelines. Make suggestions for doctor appointments, catching taxis, home health aides - whatever is needed. Then back away. Let her decide & she wears the consequences?
This is where I am trying to be. OK so far. Eg Dr says she needs xyztest/scan. OK. (Not yes you should). But I don't want to. Ok again. That way I can't take any blame for forcing her to go or if some dire thing happens for supporting her not to.
Is that where you are heading too?
Well, at this point, a list of doctor names and numbers along with suggested rechecks, etc and a departure date. If you need some REAL help mom, you know how to contact me. Exit, stage left...
You must consider that you have a co-dependent relationship with her. Maybe some time with a therapist would help clarify what's going on and how to protect yourself. FYI there's also a thing called "planned incompetence" which is when a person acts like they can't do something or are just awful at it and then the object of their manipulation rushes in to do it for them. It's a passive-aggressive form of control. Kids instinctively do this with their parents.
Please keep in mind that your mother is a fully grown adult and has had the entirety of her life to learn and become responsible for herself. If she chose not to do that, that is NOT your problem. You are not responsible for her happiness, ever. Stop orbiting around her and see how she will change her tune and your life will vastly improve. She will still do what she does -- she just won't be able to do it to you. Especially when you move out. Soon. Hurry. Wishing you all the best!
Women like this don't compromise. Everything is a game and they have to win to feel in control. They hate authority of any kind. My mother is 94 and lives in Memory Care Assisted Living and STILL fights authority tooth and nail. When the CG comes in to help her get dressed, she's 'not ready yet' and they have to leave. Then she falls off the bed insisting she can put her shoes on herself. 70x she's fallen, honest to God, b/c she has to do things 'her way.'
To others she is sweet as sugar. To me, her sharp teeth come out and she's vicious. She's always worn a mask her whole life, but now with dementia, it's getting harder for her to keep up with that 'nice face' for others. She can still do it, it's just crumbling a bit. Her slip is showing more and more, is what my DH likes to say.
Here is a good article on the subject which I found quite helpful:
https://lifelessons.co/personal-development/covertpassiveaggressivenarcissist/#3
For me, I'd never be able to move in with my mother, and I've known that all along. You say that you moved in with yours 'temporarily', so maybe now is the time to move out and get back to your own life, especially if your mom is giving you such a hard time. You're not wrong to be tired of the chaos; this is what they THRIVE on though, and what exhausts US to the point of getting depressed. Don't let that happen. She can call in paid caregivers if need be, and you can limit your contact with her to something YOU can live with. Nothing we do ever seems to be 'good enough' ANYWAY, so keep that in mind as you decide what boundaries you want to set down.
Wishing you the best of luck coming up with a livable plan for YOU.
Oh yes... I've often used the black/white example with my mother, and when you give up and agree, nope, we jump the fence and it's the other way! Best it not to get sucked into the question.
Not so easy when you have to work out appts and she's pulling this. I'd agree, perhaps time to move on... per the OP it's been several months, so even if it is residual cognitive issues from surgery, it likely won't get better. Make a to-do list for her, list the numbers to call and announce departure.