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I really hope she does go because she hasn’t acted like my mom since she moved in close to two years ago. Anything I bring up she tries to blame me. I have been stressed and depressed the whole time but she only has half hearted apologies. I made a huge mistake by inviting her in during 2020 when she needed more care. She is stronger now so I pray she does go. It’s not healthy the way she can’t hear anything I say. My dad said she changed before he passed away. Boy was he right! She’s delusional the way she views things. Very narcissistic. She can’t hear me when I try to tell her the toll this has taken on me. Mostly by the way she treats me. I used to be so easy going and making jokes. Now I feel so numb and lifeless because I feel like I don’t know who my mom is anymore or at least she doesn’t treat me like a daughter. It feels so shallow. Like “what can you do for me so I’m happy” kinda thing. It’s very sad and stressing. But she can’t hear me. Instead she cries the “poor me’s” if I try to explain and she worries about her money that she's been racking up since she moved in. She’s saved tens of thousands by living here and barely pays us anything. My siblings live in other states and have never asked me how I am doing or if we need anything. Two of them don’t visit her. And one of those hasn’t spoken to her in almost two years. Another has only come to see her a few times. When I bring up how my mom has made me feel, she'd rather lash back at me which only makes me feel worse. She’s not capable of being warm even though she fools all her relatives on the phone. Sadly I see right through her now. She wants to be portrayed as an angel. I haven’t been myself since she’s been here. Our home is small now that we downsized and I never saw that we’d have her here. Big mistake for many reasons. She said to me and implies “I’m not all there”. That’s a slap in my face for everything I’ve done and all the stress this has taken on me. She doesn’t realize how stressed I am and feel like I’m just going through the motions because I feel like only her caregiver rather than her daughter. It caused me headaches, sleepless nights, periods that I shouldn’t have anymore, sadness. I can’t avoid her because of our home layout. Every day is the same script. I gave all of me and nothing will be good enough for her. My sister doesn’t speak to her anymore. Now I know why. But my mom can’t be at fault in that either I suppose in her own eyes. If she does move, sadly she won’t see as much of me as she did in the past.

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It doesn't matter if your mother is 70 or 103 years old. It's time for her to move out now b/c she's overstayed her welcome. Period. IDK what's wrong with her, whether she has dementia or just 'selective hearing', but lacking empathy is a hallmark of dementia. Her not being able to understand YOUR position or your pain indicates a lack of empathy on her part which CAN mean she's suffering from dementia. But I would guess it's not bad enough to keep her out of Assisted Living and force her into Memory Care. So give the woman a move out date: say 60 days from today. Offer to help her find a new place to live, and then do that. And agree with her when she tells others you want her out: YES you DO want her out b/c she's lived with you for long enough. What do you care what others think about you? If they want her, THEY can take her in to live with them, how's that? If not, butt out.

In order for you to get her out of your home, you'll have to take on the role of being an even WORSE daughter than you already are. Also, who cares? She's not appreciative of your efforts or happy with you as a daughter anyway, so what's the difference if she's a bit MORE unhappy? No difference.

Go scout out the local ALFs and then give her a choice of which one she'd like to live in. Yes mother, I'm The Bad Guy, I accept it, now off you go. I love you but I need my life back & my privacy now.

IDK if she's capable of moving back into her home and living alone? If so, that's a great idea. Move her back into her house & offer to set up in home caregivers to come in daily to help her out. On her dime, of course. And you can set up other services for her too, like housekeeping, food delivery, etc. PROVIDING she is capable of living alone. If not, then AL is the way to go.

Get tough, lay down the law, and give your mother a move-out date right away. Then stick to your guns and make it happen. Otherwise, she'll be with you until the day she dies, with you complaining about it and never making any progress at all. Nothing will ever be her fault and everything will always be your fault, so let this eviction be your fault too.

Good luck.
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Cher68 Oct 2022
That was a perfect answer. Thank you so much.
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The answers here are helpful and this is what I did. I was the adult in the room when I was caring for mom at home. She didn’t like it so much. She was in denial of her abilities and inabilities. There were arguments but mostly her pushing back on agreements she made with me and then didn’t want to do. (Eating 2 meals a day-she didn’t want to eat OR not sleeping or walking-she didn’t want to rest or exercise as the doctor ordered).
This lasted about 5 months. It was stressful but it was for her best health and it was hard for me to always be on and be the adult. I looked for facilities and found reviews and prices of ones she could afford. I prayed a great deal about this wondering if this was God’s best plan…. Then I planned a trip for an event and told mom that I could not leave her alone, no one was going to live with her and she had a choice to look and choose a place to stay for a few months or I would have adult protective services evaluate her and she would be in their care. She agreed to look. She was pleasantly surprised! She moved in that week. She loved it so much that she has been there 2 years as of now. HINT/TIP: do not get the extra care of the facility if they do not communicate with you if she refuses care (showers, reminders). I paid for that and it was a waste of money. I got her a private carer for 3 days a week 1-5 and that covered 2 meal escorts and 3 showers and lotions and exercises (walking or going to an event). That person reports to me and eventually I got mom 7 day a week 1/2 day care from 2 people.
I don’t think it was that fun living with me as the adult in the room. I love my mom but I know that the dysfunction she had was bad for her and me and I am grateful that she is safe, happy, independent and I can be a loving caring daughter again. I did put blink cameras in the apartment and told her they were speakers. I also put a Alexa Echo Show so I can see her and she can see me when we talk.
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Cher68,

You have to get your mom out out of your home and I think the 60 day limit suggestion is a good one. How you and your husband initiate this conversation is yours to decide, but it must be done, and soon.

If your mom absolutely refuses to move into an ALF even after visiting one or two, you have to stick with your date certain for her to move out of your home - which is the ONLY viable option here - and assist her with that move and aid her in setting up what services are available and that she can afford. She's saved untold thousands by living with you in your family home and now it's time for her to pay for her cares.

Families are messy and you were likely the Scapegoat in your familial dysfunction. If your mom has always been an NPD or if this is apparent only now with advancing dementia, it does sound as though your siblings could care less about your feelings, just like your mom. Be that as it may, you cannot care about their views of you; you're a grown woman in your own right and have complete say on your boundaries, esp in your own home and marriage. Two years is a very long time to have put up with all of this and as long as you have your husband's support (even if you don't), you do what is best for your wellbeing. You're drained beyond words and this situation cannot continue. You have to make yourself stop caring about what your sibs think or say about you and your retort is that unless they are willing to take her in, they can zip it.

She quite likely cannot make it in her home, but if that's the only carrot you can dangle to get her out of your home, then facilitate that move. To cover your bases, you may want to notify the local or state aging services and let them know the situation. Get her moved back to her home prior to calling a home care agency, btw, because they will refuse to admit her to their services if she is unsafe with in-home cares and you don't want that to be an obstacle to her moving out of your home.

If she succeeds for a period of time, great. If not, then you do not, for one second ever entertain the possibility of her moving back in with you, she goes into care. You can keep and eye on her or have another sib do so and this requires eyes on her, not phone calls. Once she is failing at home, then you step back and have someone else take this on. She'll need to go into a care facility and you're already the 'bad daughter' so why take on more? Whomever among you is her DPOA will have make the decisions on her living arrangements going forward.

Have you been paid anything for the care you've provided for the past two years and other costs incurred? Likely not and you may want to consider whether or not to open that can of worms involved in asking for retro compensation. In hope you're not her designated DPOA because the dynamics seem hopeless now and will likely become much worse. If your sibs are open to a family meeting, you may want to arm yourself with recordings of her true behaviors in your home, all those things that others deny or don't see.

You will come out of this numbness and fog once she's out of your home and you'll begin to lighten once the arrangements are in motion. You have gone well above and beyond and should never feel guilty about saving your own life and sanity.

I wish you and yours the best.
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Cher, I would guess that she would be motivated to move if you gave her a bill for rent, utilities, food, servitude, rides, whatever else you can think of and charge her top dollar.

She makes you feel bad because this has been successful in manipulating you and you stop pressing her to go. Put your armour on and get her gone.
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Send her back Home and have someone set up a CNA , Meals on wheels , Physical therapist and a care giver . You Can do this thru elder services or thru a social worker . What happens Is the Line gets Blurred with our Parents - if she has dementia there is no real reasoning . If your that depressed and stressed you need help to Carry this Burden - a social worker or therapist - and get her set up at Home if she won't go to assisted living . Your health and Life matters .
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In order to know how to deal with this you need to know facts. What you describe sounds like she either has hearing loss or a comprehension issue. If she was "always a narcissist" then maybe this isn't the right forum because we're not psychiatrists and there's too many variables we can't know. Only you know.

That being said, and since you say she change a lot right before your father passed, then let's assume she's having some sort of age-related decline.

- how old is she?
- is anyone her PoA?
- does she have any other medically diagnosed health issues, like diabetes, COPD, etc.?

Your mom needs an exam to discount that her behavior change is not due to problems that are not cognitive, like: a UTI, thyroid, vitamin deficiency, dehydration, stroke, depression, tumor, etc. Once these are discounted then she can be give a cognitive and memory exam. She should also have her hearing tested and get hearing aids if needed. It will be very difficult for her to manage her care if she can't hear anyone. And definitely be impossible for her to live by herself.

Once you know what's going on then you can help her make decisions. You may want to take her to an AL local to you so she can see that the newer ones are really nice and have lots to offer. Many times elders just remember nasty old NHs from decades ago and need to know things are different now.

In the meantime, it will help you to educate yourself about dementia (since this is likely her issue). Go to YouTube and watch some Teepa Snow videos. You will need to interact with her differently in order to keep your relationship more peaceful and productive.

Finally:

Rules for engaging our loved ones with dementia:

1) Agree, do not argue

2) Divert, do not attempt to reason

3) Distract, do not shame

4) Reassure, do not lecture

5) Reminisce, do not ask “Do you remember…?”

6) Repeat, do not say “I told you”

7) Do what they can do, don’t say “you can’t”

8) Ask, do not demand

9) Encourage, do not condescend

10) Reinforce, never force


The overall goals should be to:

1) keep them as calm and peaceful as possible 
     (because they are less and less able to bring themselves to this state on their own)

2) keep them physically protected in their environment and from predatory people

3) keep them nourished with healthy foods that they will accept without fighting or forcing

4) keep them in as good a health condition as is possible, that their financial resources will allow and within their desires as expressed in a Living Will (aka Advance Healthcare Directive) 

5) keep them pain-free as possible and within their desires as expressed in a Living Will (aka Advance Healthcare Directive)

The caregiving arrangement needs to work for both the receiver and the giver. If it is onerous to the caregiver, then the arrangement is NOT working. Alternative types of care must be considered to avoid caregiver burnout.
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Cher68 Oct 2022
She has been like this in her behavior. I just didn’t realize it until I’m living with her now so closely and she’s 100% reliant on me. She doesn’t have a hearing problem. I just meant she lacks empathy and doesn’t really seem to care about my concerns. She would talk to me and when I answer, she would put her hand up as being defensive. She doesn’t care what I feel or have to say. She’s very well taken care of but she’s negative and has a bad attitude.
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My mom sounds very similar in attitude and demands....my sister and I have come to believe she has narcissistic tendencies as well. She also has a very different lovely and loving personality for the outside world which can feel maddening. While my mom doesn't live with me, she does flat out refuse to go into independent living and her demands on us are constant and are always met with dissatisfaction.
I would like to tell you to please please try to take care of yourself now. You are important!! Your mom definitely needs to go to AL for BOTH of you. In the meantime you need to focus on your own mental health. I didn't do that and both my physical and mental health tanked for a while. I know it can feel desperate when you are trying your hardest, making sacrifices right and left only to be dismissed and given more "tasks" or demands. It can feel soul crushing. My therapist noted the following and it helps me a lot....she said she believes my mom uses the "demands" and constant tasks she asks us to do as way to control her own anxiety....almost like she is probably unconsciously shifting her own anxiety onto us as a coping mechanism. In that way I see that her behavior is really not about me or anything I do or don't do. It is 100% about her, her fears about aging, loss of independence, things she can't do anymore. When she says something I try to catch myself in the moment and remind myself "this is her issue". My husband's father thanks him for the phone calls, visits, time spent together etc and I often wonder, why can't I get just a little of that from my mom? Bottom line in my situation, it's never going to happen. You can't control what your mom will say or do, all you can control is yourself. So my suggestion to you is to try to start in small ways to take care of yourself. Try to get to a therapist for support. Talk to friends. Build some exercise or destressing physical activity into your day. A few minutes of meditation to clear your mind can do wonders. And most importantly begin to learn and know in your heart that your mom's behavior toward you most likely has nothing to do with who you are, how hard you are trying or what you did or didn't do. Try to feel good about yourself because you have stepped it up for her (regardless of her response) and although the things that she says to you may feel personal, they are really not. It is probably more about where she is at on her journey and in her head. I wish you well!
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You need to realize that she has some form of dementia and this means that she cannot make decisions that are in her best interest. If you do not already have medical provider documentation of her diagnosis, get it. You will need for legal matters.
* You, or whoever is the POA, needs to do what is in her best interest ***
* If your mom doesn't have a POA, you need to handle this need.

*** If you continue to allow her to 'run circles around you,' you will continue to pay the consequences - emotionally, physically, and psychologically. Of course, you have sleepless nights, headaches - you are allowing her to control you (as she likely did for decades; it is behavior you know, so understandable. However, there comes a time when YOU must change - no matter how frightening and uncomfortable it is for both of you.
- Learn / realize that you must set boundaries (behavior) for yourself (what you will do and not do), and her.
- State these clearly to her; do not repeat. She will 'kick and scream' wanting her own way and thinking she can manage her own life. This behavior may not change.
* As a way to manage interactions with her, give yourself 'time outs' as needed. DO NOT believe or feel you must 'sit there' and listen to / take her ranting. Tell her ONCE, if you do not talk to me calmly, I am going to leave. And then you must do it. She'll want a sounding board - YOU. Stop this behavior in yourself (you may not be able to stop hers, with the exception of how you respond / behave and she will start to 'get it' . . . If I do xxx my daughter will leave. She likely won't want you to leave.
* Do not ever argue. Instead:
- Acknowledge her words with reflective listening. Feed her words back to her, i.e., I hear you saying "xxx" - is this right?"
- If me, and knowing she is narcassistic, I would provide compassion and clearly state my boundaries once. She will want to argue and argue ... knowing she is right (although she isn't).
* Of course she doesn't know how stressed out you are - why would you think she would - or could even put herself in your shoes to understand this / you? She is not capable of doing this.

SO . . . GET YOUR CARE PROVIDER / DAUGHTER DUCKS IN A ROW.
1. Get medical diagnosis.
2. Get legal authority as needed.
3. Set Boundaries / keep to them.
4. Realize you can do so much and then you need to let go.
5. Realize you deserve a quality life and make time for yourself.
5a. Get support as you need, be it therapy, volunteers, other family members to support you/r mom's needs.

If you do not do this, you will burn out and pay the consequences. Do not do this to yourself. This is 'tough love' and you are doing it for her, and you.

Gena Galenski
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I wasn't sure what the question was, but sense growing resentment that Mom is living with you?

Cher, here are my observations - for your thoughts.

"I mentioned to her about moving but she fights it".

Of course. She is comfortable where she is. She is with family, has low bills, has everything she needs.

"In front of my brother she mentioned that I wanted her to move."

So? Why does that matter?

Is there pressure from your Brother to be Mom's caregiver? Are you female? Is that a factor?

"It’s always the other person, never her".

Shrug. 'Whatever' to that juvenile attitude. (Can't reason with un-reasonable people).

Right now you may be in a cloud. We could call it fog.
- You will benefit from a clear view of your situation.
- Then start to decide *what you want* from what is possible/available/affordable.
- Then start plans towards that goal.

At the momement your story seems to contain a small seed of a WISH that Mom will move out. I get that - gotta start somewhere!

A little wish won't be enough on it's own to accomplish what you want.

💫🌧️🌱☀️🌳
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She lives in your residence? It's your place with your rules. Get her back to her Own Home or to go to independent living. If alone in her own home, she can be a fool until an emergency happens. If she refuses to move out of your place, you can contact your county or even the police for assistance. You love her but are not her slave.
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Twintraveler Oct 2022
She may not be able to force her to move out. Some states have laws that do not permit this.
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