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I am doing my best to assist my 71 YO mom as she recovers from ankle surgery. She lives in Illinois and I live in Florida. I have a brother who lives about 20 minutes from her and another brother who lives 90 minutes away. My brothers have been able to help with getting her to and from the hospital, but I have taken on a lot of the administrative and research tasks, as well as doing my best to support them financially (paying for car rentals, etc).


I have been able to coordinate a lot for her, including setting up home health for her—including in home doc visit and labs (this was for an issue unrelated to the ankle), working with the social workers for each hospitalization, and getting her set up for a stay in rehab post surgery. I’ve also been working with local agencies to help with things like installing grab bars in her shower, transportation, etc. Her husband has early onset dementia, so I have been researching resources for him as well, including respite care for my mom, as she is his primary caregiver.


While I think I have been able get a lot accomplished and take the pressure of hours of phone calls and research from my mom, I still have awful feelings. Am I doing enough? Am I doing the right things? No matter what I do, another crisis seems to pop up. Is it my fault? If I have a good day, I feel guilty. I have had a few people express concern that they feel I am running myself down, but I still feel like if I can’t solve all of the problems, I am not helping. I know this is an impossible task, but I still feel terrible and like it is somehow my fault.


My mother in law told me recently: “this is your responsibility since you are the daughter.” That made me feel even sadder for living so far away.


I have a very happy life in Florida. I do not want to give it up. That said, I am living in an almost constant state of anxiety and guilt. My mom is only 71, and prior to the ankle issue, she was getting along well. She is very independent and I want to support her. It’s just been all consuming lately, and I am feeling burned out and helpless.


I know there are many long distance caregivers out there. Any advice on dealing with these feelings? I really am doing my best, but I can’t help but think that my best is not good enough 😢

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I am so sorry that you are struggling with this situation.

Think about this logically. How can your mom’s ankle possibly be your fault? It is certainly NOT your fault.

Please disregard what your MIL said. I absolutely hate that certain people feel like everything should fall on a daughter’s shoulders.

Besides, you don’t live in the same state as your mom. You are doing all that you possibly can.

Her ankle will heal. It takes time.

What else do you feel that you could do? Seems like you are dealing with the bulk of things.
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Frankly, your MIL was out of line with that comment. None of your mother’s health issues are your fault or responsibility. You’ve done well with long distance caregiving, many use distance as an excuse to do nothing. Your mother is blessed to have you
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Ask your BROTHERS what they need from you, what you can do from afar that would be most beneficial, then proceed accordingly. Unless you want to give up your life in FL to move in with the folks, you can't expect to be performing Superwoman feats from another state. Seems to me you're doing more than most long distance children do, so your guilt is unfounded. And your MILs advice is totally out of line. Not to mention a big fat (covert)HINT about what SHE expects from YOU, when her time comes.

Accept that your best IS good enough and let all the insecurities go.
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Beatty Jan 2021
Ha yes! MIL was priming the line there alright!
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"My mom is only 71, and prior to the ankle issue, she was getting along well. She is very independent and I want to support her".

Do just that. Let her get on with it & be a friendly ear over the phone/video. Lose the guilt - nothing to feel guilty about. Be proud that your Mom is independent & you support that!

My approach would be Mom has two working hands & can make her own phone calls to arrange her own appointments 😉

As for MIL & her 'daughter' remark... bit 1800s?? Oh well. Poor lil old me just is too girly & weak to ever help you up if you fall... Better call EMS... & I couldn't possibly lift your groceries or haul you around in my car, I'm just a dainty girl 😆😆😆
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I think you have done very well. Its hard to coordinate things when u live close by let alone miles away. I would hope brothers appreciate all the effort and financial help.

Guilt is self inflicted. Being the daughter you probably feel that you should be more hands on. But that's not possible in ur situation. Its only a broken ankle. It will heal. She will get back to her daily life. I am 71 and I can't see a broken ankle laying me up for any extended time. Your brothers are there. Just tell them if they need anything, call.

Just a thought. I hope at 71 I can coordinate my own care. But then I know how it all works. One, because I worked for a Visiting Nurse Assoc and another because I was involved in my parents care. Upon discharge the patient is offered rehab if needed. The facilities available are given and the client choses the one they want. After rehab, in home care maybe suggested. This too is set up with the facility. Once home, in home care calls and sets up admission and times for OT/PT. An aide is usually included while under in home. All this is paid mostly by Medicare.

Now with Moms husband she may need help in finding resources for him. Eventually she may need to place him in a facility. In this instance she may need help maneuvering Medicaid and other resources. But don't disable her. Unless she has some cognitive decline, she should do things on her own. If you disable her, she will turn to u more and more often. My Mom did everything on her own with my Dad. I only stepped in when Moms Dementia made it hard for her to make decisions.

Yes, that comment you MIL said ... look out. She may think her care is her son's responsibility and urs as his wife. Its not.
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Read back to yourself everything that you wrote in your post, about everything you have done so far for your mom, and her husband, from Florida nonetheless. And you feel guilty why??? My goodness, you sound like you're doing more than your brothers who live close. You have to be realistic with your expectations, because you do live in another state, and only so much can be done from afar. You are doing a great job, so quit beating yourself up and just remember that you are but one person, and can only do but so much. If you could do it all you would be God, and last time I checked there's only one of Him. (well actually 3, when you include Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but that's a whole different subject) So do what you can, and have peace that you're doing your best, and get back to enjoying your wonderful life in Florida. God bless you.
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First off your mother is extremely ungrateful for the help you have provided. She is the one who should feel guilty. She is of sound mind...why isn't she setting all this up for herself? Quite frankly I think you are doing too much and your mother appreciates none of it. I can't believe she thinks because you are a woman that this is your job. My 72 year old husband (I'm 53) just passed by me with the clean sheets. He is going up to make the bed. So her thinking is not a generational thing. Do what you can and be satisfied that you did your best. Throw away any of those ideas that your life in Florida needs to end so she can live her in her home state. I get the feeling your mother is grooming you to leave Florida and take over her burden with her husband.
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JoAnn29 Jan 2021
I agree, and same with my DH. No, he doesn't cook but he can make himself a p/n butter and jelly Sandwich. He vacuums, makes beds, does laundry etc.
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Sounds like you are doing great. All the siblings are communicating and helping. Your Mom is getting older and health issues will happen. No ones fault. Let your Mom continue to handle as much as she can and maintain her independence. Spend some time thinking about what you want going forward. Don’t make those decisions during a crisis. Personally I would not move from my happy home.

Also start setting boundaries with your MIL. Sounds like she is laying the groundwork for her care.
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It is all consuming and overwhelming so you may need to step back a little.
Like I wrote in my last post, some of what you did the hospital coordinates that with the patient. If your Mom is independent then she should be able to work with the hospital concerning her care. My Mom always did with Dad up till he passed and she was 78. I only stepped in when her Dementia made it impossible.

Do not disable Mom. Brothers either. Yes, she has a long road ahead of her with husband. But these are choices she needs to make. You can only do what you can do from a distance. You have brothers close by. Just make them know you are there to help as much as u can from Florida. God, I hope my daughters don't think I can't handle a broken ankle. A husband with Dementia, that I can't handle. Had a hard time excepting it with Mom.
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I took care of two parents from three states away for about ten years. No other family or local help. Went through every elder crisis imaginable.

You’re probably doing over and above the call of duty here. Maybe even enabling mom by doing stuff she could do herself. I now realize that if I had pulled back a bit my folks would have had to move to assisted living sooner and had a few years of socializing and good care. But I took care of ever little detail and my folks were not the least bit cooperative. They refused any in home help. Not even meals on wheels. So it was almost too late by the time I got them into care. They weren’t able to do much at that point except eat and sleep.

I used to ping pong back and forth between feeling guilty for not being there and wanting to choke the #&@* out of them. They were good people but just didn’t comprehend how much they were expecting from me.

They’ve both since passed away and I have no guilt. You can always woulda coulda shoulda yourself but as people age and develop medical and cognitive issues the menu you’re choosing from just gets worse. You ain’t gonna fix everything.

My advice, start laying track. Get all the legal stuff, wills, end of life issues done. From what you write it doesn’t sound like living at home for these folks is sustainable much longer unless they have lots of money for in home care. Start looking into facilities near you or near them. I kept my folks in their hometown until my mom died then moved dad near me.

Good luck to you.
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Windyridge Jan 2021
I reread your post. For some reason I thought there was a dad with dementia. Moms 71, very young to be needing assisted living. Pardon my misunderstanding.
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There is no such thing as a long-distance caregiver. The loved one is still by themselves. That means the person is still able to take care of themselves. I took care of my mom 15 years with Alzheimer's and she depended on me 100% for her life support, and it got to the point I had to bathe, shower, change her, and it was hard and very complicated.
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Nicole77066 Jan 2021
Completely disagree and it undermines the care the OP is offering her mother. Aging is a spectrum and since this caregiver’s mother is not yet 100 percent dependent projecting onto her your own experience is problematic.
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I experienced something similar until my mother passed last summer. You are offering a great level of care to your mother from a distance. I too experienced anxiety related to doing enough long distance as my mother’s needs changed.

Societal expectations imposed on women are unfair and misogynistic. I too experienced out of line comments from a narcissistic sister in law, a neighbor, and cousins about my role as the daughter despite my brother living in the home.

Dealing with your anxiety or feelings of guilt despite all you are doing might be helped by talking to someone. Have you considered a therapist? There are many virtual therapy services these days due to the pandemic. There is also a caregiver hotline here: You can reach the Caregiver Help Desk by calling 1-855-227-3640.

This is a very hard time and my heart goes out to you. I’ll just say there are several options in a care plan and pending resources, please don’t uproot your own life without considering them.

There is a “working daughter” community that has a FB forum as well as a website that offers helpful perspectives and resources.

Take care of yourself too.
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Chellyfla Jan 2021
Sexist, not misogynistic. This woman’s mother is totally out of line, given the degree of service she is providing. She is indeed a caregiver.
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the term long distance and caregiver are mutually exclusive of each other as caregiver refers to one who is in person there helping with all the daily day to day week to week hands on care that involve so much. To avoid confusion w others I would say you help with making calls and appointments rather than a caregiver
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You are doing great! Stay in Florida! Perhaps ZOOM communication with brothers is a VERY helpful method of face-to-face keeping-your brothers-more-involved. AND that is a very positive approach to helping.
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I am adding because I am in a similar situation. My mom is 79 and my dad just passed away. Mom was his sole caregiver and due to her caring for him 24/7 she neglected her stage 3 advanced ovarian cancer that we only recently discovered.
So being the only child, my wife and I are staying with her temporarily. We live in Mexico and have the perfect retired life, living on a lakeside community with no crowds , noise, etc.. we have our hobbies and exercise routines. We really don’t worry too much about COVID because we don’t have many outsiders. We live inn a small village with norm too many people or crowds.
All this was disrupted when we came for dad’s funeral two months ago. Of course, mom plays the guilt trip by saying she doesn’t have anyone else to take care of her, and she blatantly says that she expects me to stay until the cancer is taken care of. This could take forever.
We have been with her in cold Massachusetts since dad’s passing. We are waiting for the next doctor’s appointment to get the next prognosis. I am not sure what we will do. I am guessing that we will have to put our foot down and just move on. She will be okay. She is doing chemotherapy and does get a little sick and weak fora few days after . But medication and the doctor’s chemotherapy adjusting, that should improve.
I will return if she gets really bad. And she has friends that check in on her. We have also hired a part-time health aide that will come once a week to check on her and help her out. Mom can do a lot and she drives. Mom knows how to get rides back and forth to chemo so I feel that she is prepared for any help.
Covid does not help. Cancer patients are high risk so she needs to take extra precautions. We have faith in God and we pray for everyone’s healing and I know things will get better. I just have to get past the guilt and get back to our lives. We have nothing going on here. And I am afraid that our health and relationship will pay the price. We can’t stand the cold and dark dreary weather. That’s why we left 15 years ago. Our basement apartment is sufficient, but it is exactly that, a basement apartment with limited space and lack of outside view.
So enough about me. I am sure that there are other people out there with similar situations and I am wondering how you all deal with your situation. How are you handling it? Thank you for your input.
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You are doing a great job! Your mother-in-law is wrong; it is not the sole responsibility of "daughters" to care for their aging parents. Your 2 brothers are there for your parents as well. They should be looking in on your parents several times throughout the week. If your brothers can be at the house daily to help with meals, cleaning, care of mom, and care of dad.... then the all bases are covered. If those are issues that plague you, then it may be a good idea for home health to come in daily to take care of those tasks. If you go the home health route, you can talk to your mom to make sure the the workers are completing their tasks as mom would prefer.

The only way you can have more control is to move your parents down to stay with you, which would probably wear you out faster.

Please try to get some away from concerns about caring from your parents every day: exercise, enjoy hobbies and social activities, talk to friends about something other than your parents, read a Bible, and pray.... You need to learn to let go and let your brothers and others do the care you coordinate.
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First..ignore MIL.
You are doing what you can.
Even if you were living with mom I am sure there would be time that you would feel you are not doing enough.
What you could do is make sure that your brothers know how much you appreciate what they are doing. Make sure that you thank their spouses or significant others for the help they are giving.
Personally I would much rather take some one to the doctor than to sort through all sorts of paperwork.
It might be time to seriously discuss what plans there are for dad though.
Is he going to be able to remain at home? Is it going to be safe for mom to care for him? Is the house set up so that she does not have to do a lot of stairs? As dad declines can m om handle him? These are all questions that ran through my mind when I was caring for my husband. When something happens to the primary caregiver it is a reality check and a look into the future and all the "what if's" that come up.
Is dad a Veteran? If so the VA might have options.
Does dad have other health issues? If so is he eligible for Hospice? Mom would get some help as well as Medicare will pay for Respite. (about 1 week per year)

If you are doing your best that is all that anyone (including your MIL) can expect and do not let anyone tell you differently.
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I agree with others that have said to ignore your MIL. It is not your responsibility because you are a daughter. You are doing an amazing job and helping so much. Stop with the guilt - it doesn’t serve any purpose. And please - do not give up your happy life in Florida. Read through some of the sad stories posted here first! You are already feeling burnout! I would say that it may be time for your MOM to make some future plans for her care in the years to come. But it’s not your job to do that for her, and it’s not your job to take it all on your shoulders. I went to counseling to help deal my my stress and anxiety and found it very helpful.
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I was caregiver from 3,000 miles away for decades. The guilt, anxiety, anger, stress and depression were unbearable. Life became miserable for me and those around me. I did the best I could. How to handle? 1. This forum. 2. Home caregivers if you /they can afford even a little. They were a godsend for me. 3. Therapy with social worker or psychologist. 4. Do not self medicate with alcohol/ drugs to help feel better. Makes it much worse. Exercise instead- walk, whatever. 5. Be kind to yourself. You are doing the best you can. Give yourself a break. Give yourself a hug for being the best any parent could hope for. Take care of yourself first. You deserve it! My best to you. (((Hug)))
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bundleofjoy Jan 2021
such a nice message M209. hug to you! and courage to all of us! :)
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At least you have awareness and are doing what you can. I am in a similar situation except I am the primary caregiver for two elders with my sibling in FL who has an attitude and no respect or appreciation for all that is done that she has avoided by her move 18 years ago. She has no ethics, no empathy, no sense of obligation. While our parents continue to thrive with me living under their roof, her answer would be to move them into assisted living or a nursing home which would be very damaging in everyone elses opinion who knows the players. Recent example: My desire to do my best for them led to stress that apparently contributed to an aortic dissection, which is often fatal. I wound up getting to the hospital in time, had surgery. She somehow was notified and flew in. Of course last minute flight was more expensive. She picked up the tab for several alleged meals for the elders, claimed to pay a bill etc, and tallied up her costs and incidentals to being some hundreds of dollars and 41 cents. Yes to the penny. Because I am POA, she thought I would just write a check out of our parents funds. I told her if she expected that, she needed to ask our father (mom has dementia and is clueless) as I took direction on writing checks etc from HIM as it was his /Their money. Her point is that it is NOT my money so I should stop controlling it and just write the check. It is not your SOLE responsibility, and your brothers are lucky you are doing what you can. Ankles heal. The feeling of being burned out is too common. If you google Long-distance caregiving you might find some info or additional resources. You're doing what you can. In my case the sibling has opted to blame me for my illness and rub my nose in it for making the choices I have for staying here and winding up as a caregiver. She is an equal source of stress. Told me she hopes "I survive." She made her own choices as well, to take on a mortgage, and I reminded her of that comment she regularly throws at me.
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'I have had a few people express concern that they feel I am running myself down, but I still feel like if I can’t solve all of the problems, I am not helping. I know this is an impossible task, but I still feel terrible and like it is somehow my fault.'

I understand how you feel as I feel the same and my mother lives down the road, so it's not just a matter of distance! Since my mum moved near us she has given up any independence she had, although it's true she is 86, not 71. But she still expects us to do things that she was doing for herself till she moved, so moving closer is not always the solution. I don't feel in charge of my own life any more.

I think you are doing a great job and your brothers have just as much 'responsibility' as you do (I'm still not sure how much help we truly 'owe' our parents in old age). If you burn out, who will help your mum then? And who will help you? I am seeing a counsellor to process these feelings, so maybe you could try that?

All the very best!
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I am experiencing a very similar situation with my 85 YO mother who lives 200 miles away. My brother and three grown grandchildren all live within minutes of her but she calls me when she's in distress and says there's no-one to help her. A big part of the problem is that she doesn't want to ask them for help and expects it from me since I am her daughter. There's a well-worn path between her house and mine, but each time I go to help or visit I feel like I have not accomplished much of anything, and leaving has become very difficult.
While the burden of guilt may be somewhat self-imposed, it is very real. Many people have told me I am doing the best I can and that no matter what, I should not feel guilty, but I do.
I don't have any real answers but I do believe we need to "give ourselves a break" emotionally so that we don't squander our own health and well-being. It is truly one of the most difficult things I have experienced, and from what I have read here, the same goes for many people. Just know that you are not alone.
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Your feelings of guilt and not doing enough are irrational. Your mother has two sons nearby. Just because you are her daughter does not mean you have to assume the gender roles she has in mind. I agree that she may be grooming you to leave your life in Florida - don't do it!

There may come a time when you and your brothers must have a frank conversation about what's called the charade of independence, which means that you, your brothers, and others are propping them up but they truly are no longer independent.

Your mother has a broken ankle and her husband has dementia. That is a lot for anyone to manage especially because their needs are so different. Who has durable power of attorney both medical and financial for both your mother and her husband? In my opinion, it is a bad idea for anyone to take on the responsibility of caregiving - long distance, nearby or under the same roof - without having the authority to make decisions.

Your mother must consult an attorney and get her and her husband's important paperwork done i.e. living will, DPOA, will. Especially in the age of COVID, not having a clear understanding of end of life wishes only makes things harder.

You can help a lot from Florida. You can get their budget together and get an understanding of what they can afford to pay toward the assistance they need. Ideally, an ALF with memory care (should her husband need it) would be ideal. You also can hire a geriatric care manager in her state who knows the ins and outs of entitlements and benefits of which you can help them avail themselves.

My biggest message to you is this: be objective about your mother's and her husband's respective situations and do not get sucked into enabling a charade of independence. Based on everything I've learned from this forum, it only ends badly for all involved.
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Guilt is for people who are doing something wrong. You're not. BUT, it's inherent in our humanness to feel 'responsible' and it sure doesn't help when someone criticizes you for really doing your best.

My MIL would pick at me, always asking ONLY about my troubled brother and sister and kooky mom, never anyone else. And then she'd go on to critically put me down for not doing better, or more. Of course, she had no idea what went on inside the dynamics of my family. When she also began to criticize how I was raising my kids--OK, that was the last straw.

Ignore the nay-sayers and do what you reasonably CAN, and try to find ways to outsource as much as you can. If mom (who is only a few years older than I am!!) cannot work out some of the basics of living w/o you, ask her if she'd feel better in some kind of ALF. Chances are she'll step up and do for herself more if she knows the only other possibility is group living...

I stopped talking to or being involved with my MIL almost a year ago. Slowly, after 45 years of her nonstop nastiness, I am coming to lose the 'guilt' I would always feel when DH would slog up to her house, spending an entire day being yelled at and then slogging home, depressed and anxious b/c he didn't have ME there to buffer the comments.

I am finding that if I do not put myself first, NOBODY else does. Literally. It's been a hard lesson to learn, but an important one. I am quite sure I will be a fairly young widow and my kids do NOT want to be in charge of my life.

Guilt is one of those 'useless emotions' along with anger. So hard to process and put away. But unless you have actively hurt your mom, you have NOTHING to be 'guilty about'.
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PoofyGoof Jan 2021
I agree that guilt is a useless emotion, but anger is not useless. Anger can be about self preservation and trigger boundary setting. Key is reaction— assertive, not aggressive.
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Your mother in law should butt out. Where is it written that only the daughter can be a caregiver? And if she brings it up again, ask her if she will have any thing negative to say if you leave your husband (her son) to go take care of your mom.

Just continue doing what you're doing. All of those things make it easier for the brothers to do the physical work. Keep the communication open with the brothers so that mom's needs are reevaluated as this goes along. Other decisions can be made for her living arrangement and care as things change
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You are doing many of the important and time-consuming tasks that must be done when caring for elderly parents. I am the primary, hands-on caregiver for my mother who is now living with me, but I can’t tell you how much my sister & brother-in-law in another state have helped from that distance! I could not be doing this without their support & encouragement. When I need something researched or a product ordered that would help with care, they get right on it. I know my sister feels guilty living so far away and not being able to share the on-site tasks, but I wish she wouldn’t. I can call to vent, also, which goes a long way to maintaining my sanity. ;-) When they offer to pay for a few hours of respite care each week or a housekeeper to ease my burdens, it blesses me beyond measure. We haven’t done those things yet, but just knowing they are available helps me breath easier.

Team work can look a lot of different ways—for your mom, it seems like your brothers and you are all doing parts to care for your mom. Congratulations to you all—from what I see, that is rare! Please don’t use your energy on guilt. Know that you are stepping up in a valuable way. You owe your MIL no explanation; do not give her the power to make you feel badly about yourself. No one owes anyone caregiving. We step up because it is what we “choose,” not what we “owe.” (Although there can be many reasons, some healthy, some not, for choosing to care give, and a good therapist can help us figure those out, because it can be complicated.) Stay in touch with your brothers & mom to learn what the needs are and continue doing what you can. No place for guilt. You’re doing great!
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You're probably going to throw something at me when I say this, but have you ever thought about how your parent's wellbeing in old age isn't actually your duty? Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You're probably getting older now yourself and have kids/other duties to attend to. Could your parents have raised you while taking care of their old needy parents for 5-15 years straight? No. This is a new dilemma younger people are facing this generation, thanks to medical science keeping people alive longer with chronic conditions and turning them into big toddlers who are unable to keep on living on their own. Even a baby starts to do stuff itself after a couple of years. My parents never had to look after their parents, but I've spent plenty of time looking after them already.

Stop caregiving altogether, and have them pay for their own caregiving. I've actually come to the conclusion that we shouldn't have to do all of this old age caregiving, especially with no pay whatsoever and our already limited free time.

Don't get me wrong, I love my parents, but it's just not my responsibility to do everything for them. If they don't have enough saved up to pay for help, then you need plenty of family members to divvy up the work equally, and take turns. Of course, you're just too far away to give in-home care and I don't think anyone should tell you otherwise.
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lealonnie1 Jan 2021
I'd like to throw something at you for saying what you did! A hug and a big shout out to say RIGHT ON! :)
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I am lucky (or unlucky) enough to be the only 'allowed' caregiver since my grandma has dementia/ Alzheimer's. There were plenty of times where I just needed one person to make one phone call for me and was frustrated to tears that no one else would make that call on behalf of grandma and they don't. So, you are doing more than you know for those people that are in-person caregivers. Don't burn yourself out now. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Keep up the good work.
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I am not a long distance caregiver but how dare someone tell you that it is YOUR responsibility because you are a "girl"....really, that is old fashioned.  Honestly I think you are doing the majority of the work because setting up appts, getting things arranged, making all the calls is the most frustrating stuff to handle.  take to doctors appts is a breeze compared to dealing with people over the phone.  Do NOT feel guilty......you are doing way more than 75% of the work.  When you don't have anything to do for a couple days (no calls, etc).......unplug by listening to your favorite music, sit and watch birds (if you like to), watch some old movies you like, etc.  take a walk or a drive somewhere where you can sit and watch or just relax.  Thank goodness you have brothers that are there to take her to appts.  that is a big load off your mind.  Hope others will be able to give you some suggestions, but don't let the mother-in-law say you are responsible for all of it.  that's not true.  wishing you luck.
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This may make you chuckle.. when my out of town sib hears my future plans to move... "But you'll be staying near them! (The aging & disabled ones) You'll stay in town! Or edge of town! Or close by! You won't want to be far away! You can't move further away....you're the close one!!!!"

Then the penny dropped.
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