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My dad recently went into assisted living and my mother recently went into memory care. I am in the process of trying to get their house and 60 acres of land with a small farm cleaned out so I can sell it. I should also mention that this house and property is in huge disrepair and bordering on a hoarder situation. I am an only child and have been trying to do this all myself. In my state (NY) - not sure if it is like this everywhere - assisted living and memory care assisted living are both private pay which for the 2 of them is about $8,000 a month, although the going rate is closer to about $10,000 or more at other facilities for 2 people. I had a market analysis on the house and property done and was hoping to sell it for fair market value, as it is a seller's market now and also due to their monthly expenses that they will have to meet and who knows what the future will bring. A cousin that I haven't seen or heard from in probably over a decade wanted to buy this, but after a phone conversation in which she completely attacked me about how bad the condition was and how I needed to largely discount the selling price because of this - even though the market analysis took into account the various warts of the property. I would have been willing to take some off the selling price, but just felt she was trying to take advantage of me so I stuck to my guns. The next day she had posted on Facebook that "greed was more important than family values" apparently in regard to not getting a big discount. And a few days later, I got a text from her saying she needed to do some investigation on her own to confirm what the rate at assisted living facilities are because she had a hard time believing that what I had told her was true. Apparently I am greedy and also a liar now. At this point, I just wrote her off as a potential buyer because I refuse to be taken advantage of. And yesterday, her sister called and gave me the same interrogation and kept mentioning how important it was to "keep it in the family." Getting my parents moved, due to my mother having had a stroke, working on their house, getting their pets re-homed, keeping up with their bills and banking, taking them to doctors appointments, dealing with the lawyer - who is highly regarded in elder law and is trying to set up a trust for the property, working with a geriatric care manager, working a full time job, and taking care of my own life and family, has been beyond any stress I have ever known. And then there is the 5 year look back period, etc. How has anyone else dealt with relatives trying to gouge you??

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I can tell you how I handled it...After my mom's funeral while family and friends were all gathered at my mom's house, I had a cousin (that I barely knew) mention to me that he had never really seen the layout of my mom's house and he really liked it. I said, oh, well that's nice. (Who cares if you like it? I don't!) It wasn't long after that, that I got a call from him and he asked if I'd be willing to sell it to family...the insinuation being "at a discount". I had already decided that business dealings with family would equal trouble, so I said oh no, I am not selling the house to family, I'm going to put it on the market very soon. I was pretty clear that the house WOULD NOT be sold to family. I'm an only child too, by the way, and lived thousands of miles from my mom and have 3 kids and had to travel to her house several times to clean it out and get it listed, so I know the stress that you are speaking of! My advice to you is take ONE more phone call from each of these leaches if you must and simply state that you'll be putting the house on the market, and not selling to family at a discount. NO FURTHER EXPLANATION!!! These people do not care about you, your parents, their best interests, they only care about what they can get. You haven't heard from them in 10 years, write them OFF, block them on facebook!

As to the rest of the story for me....my cousin apparently got a key to my mom's house from his mother, (my aunt, who I know well and trusted) and he MOVED IN to my mom's house with his girlfriend and her baby! I have an uncle who was checking on the house for me and called me as soon as he saw my cousin there. Thank God for that Uncle! I called him right away and told him he best get out, that he was trespassing and had no right to be there. Yes, I threatened him, I told him I had other family that would be happy to show up in just a few hours to remove him and if he didn't leave I was going to fly across the country that day and take all of his stuff and throw it outside and set it on fire. He left right away but it was super stressful!!!
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JoAnn29 Feb 2020
What gull! Why would he even think this was right? He is not your Moms child. I hope u changed the locks. By the way, good for you.
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You do not discuss the sale with anyone. Turn all inquiries over to the Real Estate Agent that will handle the sale. If necessary say..."on the advice of my lawyer I can not discuss the sale with anyone, all questions and appointments need to be scheduled by the Real Estate Agent".
If mom and or dad have to go on Medicaid the house will have to be sold for fair market value so you are just acting as a responsible representative of their best interest.
Ignore Social Media posts, do not comment on them it just feeds the monster.
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Your cousin's behaviour is outrageous and/but you are far too busy to worry about it.

Put the house on the market. If she wants to make an offer she will be free to do so, same as any other buyer - and you won't ever have the hassle of explaining why you sold it below market value.

I'm sorry these cousins have crawled out of the woodwork. Would you miss them if they crawled back in, permanently?
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I was also the last kid for my folks when they went into care and left a rundown house and acreage. I gathered up any personal stuff, paperwork, pictures etc., traded some garage stuff to a guy with a dump truck who made 4 trips to the dump , left the 1970s furniture and appliances and sold it as is. I made the place much less grubby but was not about to spend thousands of dollars and manage a remodel from 3 states away.

As for your relatives I wouldn’t give them the time of day. I got a decent price for our place very quickly. It sounds to me like your place should sell easily. I just don’t think you should kill yourself messing with it. I had been through 5 years of stress and nightmares with my folks.

I had the same thing that jo Ann mentioned, neighbors at my moms funeral claiming they were promised first offer on the property. Though I was gonna have to smack this one lady.

I didn’t have to deal with Medicaid because my folks had a little money and now 3 years later, I’m paying for dads care with the proceeds from his property.
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JoAnn29 Feb 2020
"Though I was gonna have to smack this one lady." 🤣
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Just tell these lovelies that they are certainly welcome to make an offer, but you are asking a certain price and that's that. Refer them to your realtor and don't engage in conversation about the sale.

When my grandmother died my OB ( a very sick and troubled man) felt it was HIS to inherit, why, I'll never know. My other sibs and I went to my dad and said if they sold this beloved little bungalow to our brother we would never speak to them again (everything my brother touched turned to garbage).

Dad sold the house to a family and they loved it for years. If my brother had gotten it---it would have been trashed in 6 months.

Let your realtor handle the relatives. That's why they get paid, to handle this exact kind of thing, amongst all the other issues.
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I didn't have any relatives with their hands out but one of the men who had rented mom's land made a low ball offer and tried to tell me that land wasn't worth as much a I believed, even though I had paid for an independent appraisal. This man had made a point of visiting and being very friendly to my parents and especially my mom after she was alone, I can't help but feel that it was all just an attempt to worm his way into our good graces since we never heard from him again after the sale - I'm especially bitter that we didn't even get a condolence from him after she passed. When dealing with the all of neighbours who my mom depended on someone once couselled me not to worry about doing special favours for anyone because they most certainly wouldn't hesitate to put their own interests above mine.
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The way I view it, the greed is on her side and the "family values" (I hate that expression) is you trying to do the best by your parents by selling THEIR property for market value. Blood isn't thicker than water either.

I wouldn't turn down a reasonable offer, regardless of who made it, but I wouldn't sell at a deep discount before you even get it on the market.

Family can be a pain.
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If you have to talk to them again, assure them that they are welcome to make a fair value offer through the listing agent once you list the house for sale. Be firm that this is the only way the house will be sold. Then stop any further discussion.
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CWillie, I've had similar experiences with people who think they're going to scoop up lake property by degrading it, warning me how hard it would be to fix it up (being a woman, of course),  to get a better bargain.   

One kind of nutty guy was a contractor who I asked for a quote for some work.   When he called, he brushed off the issue of a quote and said he wanted to buy the property, demolish the house and build 2 rentals on the property.   He made that decision in the time it took to walk around the house, inside sight unseen.

And he wanted me to meet him the next day to work out the details of the sale.    No way.

I think in the last year I've met more weirdos than over several years.   And some even claimed to be contractors.    I researched as many as I could, and used Google to see what kind of offices they had.

The one who wanted to close the deal the next day had a literal dump for an office, cans and junk covered by tarps in the yard, weeds over knee high, and more.  One contractor's address was a vacant field, on all sides (although Google may have taken the photo decades ago (!) before the office was built).

(At one time I considered buying some cargo pants, stuffing them with tools, wearing a Rosie the Riveter scarf on my head, adding some smudges and dirt, and walking out of the shed to meet these wanna be Nicole Curtis or Holmes people.)

There were only a few who treated the property and me with respect.  Others just saw  lake property, big workshop, and old lady who they assumed could be manipulated and cheated.
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Like you have time to deal with distant greedy family buttrash.

heres my suggestion as you have a lawyer:
do a letter - sent certified mail with the return registered card - to each of them a terse 3 paragraph letter. 1st is thanks for your interest in the property & put in property address. 2nd paragraph is that they need to tender their offer and in detail as to earnest money and then balance in full AND they send that information to the attorney within 15 days of receipt of this letter. 3rd paragraph is that any & all future communication needs to be through the attorney.

id not put in any reference to the Realtor in the letter. Or respond to any future emails or phone calls from them. I would however monitor thier social media and take screen shots of any mentions of mom, the land, you, etc. & these you just in case keep.

I’d ask your moms facility to let you know if either of these grifters or their kids show up to “visit” mom too.
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FloridaDD Feb 2020
I don't know if you want to add to the letter than any sales of property at less than FMV may result in loved one not being able to get Medicaid paid for, for at least a period of time.  While everyone who reads Agingcare is aware of this, I am not certain newbies to the arena of elder care do.
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