Mom was a business owner and hid her dementia for years, all the while neglecting (literally forgetting) to pay the business taxes.

Retired IRS Revenue Officer (tax collector) here answering your question. The bottom line answer is yes, they can take her assets to pay her debts. It's more detailed though. The IRS can take her assets like her bank accounts, and other property, even her home and car. It can also levy (garnish or seize) her Social Security income. She will get to keep part of the SS income but they can take it. The taxes that generally go unpaid to the IRS from a business are the taxes withheld from the employees wages (the Social Security and income that the employees get credit for, maybe never even knowing the company they worked for messed up and didn't turn in their money). Also, when a business owner doesn't turn in the withheld taxes, and the business portion of the SS tax, it is typical that they haven't filed or paid their own income taxes. That's on the federal side of things. For state and local taxes each state would have it's own laws on what assets or income can be reached, but they are not going to be able to reach her SS. The types of taxes involved here are more likely to be sales taxes, unemployment or labor & industries disability taxes, or state and local income taxes. With any of the agencies, try filing an appeal to waive some of the penalties and interest due on the unpaid taxes based on her mental incapacity, and provide some documentation. Chances are slim to get some relief, but maybe. There are also programs that allow the agency to legally compromise (reduce)the taxes owed. Laws vary, but the concept is that if the agency is shown that the delinquent taxpayer cannot fully pay the debt (taxes, penalties and interest) by the end of the statute of limitations (which also varies) they may settle for an upfront payment of what they think they can get. This requires a formal application and complete disclosure of income and assets for the agency to consider making a deal to give up the rest of what is legally owed to collect now. Ask the agencies about how to make An Offer in Compromise.

Nobody is going to jail for this...this is a civil matter, with no criminal intent. The demented taxpayer will not be going to jail for anything. Stop scaring people with uninformed speculation.

here is a lot of scare stuff here that doesn’t help. In cases where there is no deliberate fault, the tax authorities here and in most places still want the tax that wasn’t paid, but they don’t necessarily use their powers for fines, penalties, or (with luck) interest. It is often possible to amend or lodge past returns, which can help too.

Tacy’s advice is great. Collect up all the information you can, before you start incurring bills from accountants or lawyers. My suggestion mirrors Tacy’s about building a relationship with an individual in the Tax Department. Start while you are flustered, worried, at a loss about what to do etc – you want them to feel sorry for you, which is fully justified. I messed up our farm tax for about four years (in spite of being an accountant, though not a tax specialist). I was distraught. The wonderful lady in the Tax Office sorted out all my old returns and explained it to me. It cost me nothing besides the amount we should have paid in the first place. I hope that you have good luck too!

More than a decade ago, I had to take care of my parents’ tax return after my father’s death. He had been using an accountant in his small town who was not a CPA. In reviewing the return, I thought some of the numbers just didn’t seem right. It involved a property that my father had sold on contract a few years earlier. It turned out that the accountant had made a mistake converting a fraction to a percentage, resulting in the taxable portion of the sale being calculated at only one percent of the correct figure. I went back to the accountant who admitted his mistake and went back and corrected the current return and several previous returns. It resulted in a pretty big bill and the IRS and state both added interest, but there were no penalties assessed. It was a mistake, not fraud, and we corrected it as soon as it was discovered. I agree that you should gather up whatever records you have and follow Tacy’s advice. Show the tax people that you are making an honest effort to clear up this mess.

Pure and simple, it is Lawyer time. They may advise you make an appointment with the IRS with all the info you have. This is not going to be the first time this has happened and they will likely appreciate that it is not "on you" and that you are doing all you can to provide what you can. Bring all records you have of what she DID file, if anything, of what she kept records of, or anything you know. Yikes! Please update us how it goes.

IRS can seize any funds in her name. Taxes are considered super debts and they take the money however they can. Get a lawyer to try to negotiate a better deal. Owing taxes can impact many things.

I agree with others who have said that the IRS can be reasonable to work with as long as you are making a good faith effort to resolve the issue. I would make an appointment asap with a CPA and bring all of the financials, your POA documentation, and any other necessary info with you. They can help negotiate with the IRS on your behalf and help you sort out all of the financial info and determine what paperwork needs to be filed, etc.

I want to thank everybody for their wonderful, helpful responses. This is just a brief update: I managed to get complete tax and wage reports for all the years in question from ADP and sent them to the Ohio Unemployment people. They have worked through them and now want me to call for an "exit conference" so at least that's one thing that will be squared away. As far as the IRS goes, I still haven't heard anything from them thank goodness, but I will be making an appointment with an elder law attorney this week and also following up on some of the suggestions from Tacy022. I will keep you all posted. Thanks again, and hugs to all! <3

OurOldHouse: this is in response to your response on Aug. 9 to Feeltheburn. You're so right about the possibility the IRS will throw in your face that your mother's dementia diagnosis was last year and the tax issues started before that.

Perhaps write an affidavit about all your remembrances of the start of her symptoms. Ask other family member or business associates to do the same.

With a tax attorney, and armed with your mom's earlier spotless business records, affidavits to the start of her symptoms, your mom's medical records, and dementia information, perhaps the IRS can help you get her tax records sorted out to the IRS's satisfaction with a minimum of fees/fines.

The people at the IRS have families too, and being prepared with data that what she did was not the purposeful act of a felon but a person who was undergoing a disease that she didn't understand might go a long way to a satisfactory conclusion. Best wishes to you. *hug*

OurOldHouse, I would question the payroll company about the money they withheld from employees checks. Did they continue to withhold money and your mom paid their bill? These taxes are not normally paid quarterly, monthly would be my best estimate for her. I would track down if she paid the payroll company the actual money. I can't imagine that they would have paid her employees for 3 months lit alone 3 years if they weren't getting paid.

The IRS is not going to waive any taxes. You may get penalties and fees lowered, but this money belongs to others and now that they know, it is going to cost her.

I would be thankful that she has the money to pay. I would check with the P/R company. I can't wrap my head around them holding this money and not making deposits. They worded that in a way that leads me to believe that they have the money and were waiting for quarterly reports? BUT 3 years they didn't deposit money, sounds like they have some culpability for this mess.

Find a good business tax attorney, they will be able to help get this sorted out, get records and maybe go after the P/R firms liability insurance, to continue to withhold taxes and not make deposits is criminal. You know she was paying them, the time frame involved proves that.

Best of luck, what a mess.

Edit: if you tell the IRS you were fighting for years for a dementia diagnosis, they are going to question why someone wasn't checking on things if you knew she was in need of a dx. I wouldn't say that, I would say we had no idea until we found out how messed up everything is and now that the dr has dx dementia we understand how things arrived here, now we need help fixing everything. Just my opinion.