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I have two caregivers, one from Monday through Friday and the other on Saturday and Sunday. My mother liked the one during the week more than the one on the weekend. I like both CNAs and think they are wonderful with my parents (my father has dementia and is bedridden and my mother has mobility issues). My mother tells the caregivers to wake my father up to eat or to change him. When they wake him, he becomes angry and lashes out. So it is best to let him wake up naturally. But he may sleep past breakfast or past lunch. The nurse has even told my mother to let him sleep. My mother prods the weekday caregiver to wake him up and my mother is sometimes, no most of the time, not very nice to the caregiver over this. Well, this evening when I went to give my mother her evening medicine she mentioned how she does not like the caregiver because she doesn't do what she asked for my father. I asked my mother does she want to get someone else and she said no. I can't rely on what she says because she switches things around, one week she likes this one and the next week she doesn't. My mother got very angry at me because I told her I don't like to hear negative talk about the caregivers and I will investigate myself. She said I was a bad daughter and exclaimed, I am your mother! Like how dare I disagree with her. She talks to me as if I were a child and does not want to hear anything that is a contrary opinion. I do a tremendous amount for my parents but I find her to be rude. Every single day, either morning or evening, we have some sort of tiff over what has transpired during the day. I believe that the caregivers have a very difficult job and I don't want my mother to be rude to them. How can I handle this? Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

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I have Ulcerative Colitis, which is an autoimmune, digestive disease. Because of this disease, I've been studying nutrition and am even certified. My last severe colon flareup lasted one year. I was bleeding like I had a heavy period every day, I had to go to the bathroom more than 20-30 times a day, I was throwing up practically everything I ate, and I was housebound and bedridden. I didn't even have the energy to brush my teeth or my hair.

I was hospitalized three times during that flareup, each time for two weeks. I would have been hospitalized even longer, but doctors don't want people with Ulcerative Colitis in the hospital because we are on immune suppressants to shut down our immunity so our bodies will stop attacking themselves. So our doctors send us home as soon as our condition stabilizes even if we are still in extreme pain. They don't want us to pick up a virus in the hospital, which could end up being life-threatening.

There was a point in which my colon was so swollen that I was hooked up to an IV in the hospital for a week not consuming anything and I was down to 90 pounds (I'm 5'7"). I was extremely dehydrated and malnourished. During that flareup, I had one blood transfusion, six iron IVs, countless potassium IVs, countless magnesium IVs, tons of fluid IVs, Remicade infusions, oral 6MP, steroid IVs, oral steroids, rectal steroids, oral 5-ASAs, rectal 5-ASAs, pain killers, immunizations to protect against viruses, ... I also had a silent heart attack sometime during that flareup due to not having enough water and electrolytes, which were not being absorbed by the colon. So, yes, I know a lot about under-nutrition.

After my last hospital stay, one of my GI's (gastroenterologists) recommended Ensure. I looked it up and checked the ingredients and saw the high amount of sugar and processed ingredients that Ensure contained. When I told my GI about the maltodextrin, she was shocked. Maltodextrin is pro-inflammatory, I have an inflammatory disease, and she was recommending Ensure. She told me that she didn't know because she hadn't read the ingredients. Ensure was being marketed to them [her and her fellow doctors] as a "nutrition" drink for people who are malnourished. That's why she recommended it.

BTW, maltodextrin is put into sports drinks because it is so quickly absorbed into the blood stream. That's what it means to have a high glycemic index. And this is what makes maltodextrin so harmful, especially to those who suffer from inflammatory diseases and diabetes.

I switched from the Low FodMap Diet (for gastrointestinal issues) to the Autoimmune Paleo Diet (for autoimmune diseases) and Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) (for digestive diseases) and gradually got better. I consumed homemade bone broths and then homemade bone broth soups containing meat (such as ox tail and chicken) with bones and veggies such as carrots and cabbage. Ox tail is quite fatty. It contains calories. As I got better, I added homemade coconut smoothies, which are made from coconut cream, bananas, and berries. Plenty of calories. I then added bananas with homemade macadamia nut butter. Again, plenty of calories. Later, I added homemade avocado dip with homemade carrot chips. Again, plenty of calories.

The last flareup I had, the extra-intestinal, systemic one (muscles, tendons, joints, right eye, and kidneys), I got from consuming maltodextrin. I had a slight cold and was chewing herbal cough drops--the ones that have a picture of herbs on the package. Starch sugar and sugar are listed as inactive ingredients. I assumed that meant less ingredients. Not. It turned out that more than 99% of the cough drops were starch sugar from corn (maltodextrin) and sugar. I know this because I contacted the company after I found out the pain I had was due to inflammation.

Almost all chronic disease today is due to SAD, the Standard American Diet--a diet high in sugar and processed ingredients, and the lack of exercise. Ensure is a processed, sugared drink with added vitamins/minerals. It's convenient. It's not healthy. For the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can think refined sugar would be healthy.
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Doctors are doctors. Nutritionists are nutritionists. While some doctors may also be nutritionists. Not all nutritionists are doctors. Even so, they would disagree with you when it comes to the target demographic for adult nutritional drinks.

"Undernutrition is a risk factor for increased mortality in older adults. Therapeutic intervention includes the administration of liquid dietary supplements."

academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/75/5/944/4689411

Once again, you are talking about otherwise healthy adults. For someone who is not eating enough and can't or refuses to, nutritional drinks are the difference between life and death. While you personal experience might apply to you, if you aren't a elderly person who refuses to/can't eat and weighs 75 pounds, then it surely doesn't apply to them. In their case, starvation is the problem.

nps.org.au/australian-prescriber/articles/malnutrition-and-nutritional-supplements
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24154647
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Doctors are not nutritionists. Try gummy vitamins. There is just as much nutrition in about six gummy vitamins as there are in a day's worth of "nutritional" sugared drinks. The elderly are not running marathons. They don't need so much sugar.

And, yes, refined sugars are very harmful to the health. Ensure contains maltodextrin, which can have the highest glycemic index among all the sweeteners. Two and a half weeks of consuming maltodextrin gave me systemic inflammation in my muscles, tendons, joints, right eye, and kidneys. I ended up being housebound/bedridden for six months. I could not lift my right arm. I could not move my neck. I felt like I was walking on stones. If I hadn't figured it out in time, I'd be dead. That was from January to June of 2017. Once the inflammation past, I started training for a triathlon. I completed my first triathlon in November 2017. I don't consume any refined sugars. I don't consume starchy vegetables, and I can do a triathlon. The elderly simply don't need that much sugar. If you want to give them calories than add coconut oil or avocado oil to the drinks. These oils are healthy fats that will help with cognitive issues. If they can consume solid foods, then small, fatty fish is very high in omega-3s and very beneficial to the brain.

sugar-and-sweetener-guide.com/glycemic-index-for-sweeteners.html
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You cannot control the emotion or personality or dementia manifestations of your mom. You can try to talk to her although the key is talking to the care providers and telling them how to handle the interactions. They can set their boundaries with your mom with your support/input. And, the caregiver(s) may not want to deal with this and may leave. I find that my client changes (although it is a continual need to bring to her attention) her tune when she feels needy and/or feels no one will be there to care for her. If you mom can associate her behavior/verbal abuse/patterns with not getting the care (provider) she needs, she may start to interact different. Ultimately, it is up to the caregiver in how they respond - I give time outs - from 5-10-30 minutes to 1-2 hours or leave for the day. Of course, you need to discuss this 'time out' strategy with the care providers so everyone is on the same page. Gena
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Subduedjoy, I've read your dissertation against nutritional drinks in the past. I absolutely do not agree. Nutritional drinks keep a lot of elderly alive. My mom would have died years ago without them. For many elderly that do not want to eat, many will drink nutritional drinks. For someone who doesn't eat a lot of volume, you need to maximize the amount of calories that they can get in that limited volume, "bone broths and green vegetable smoothies" just won't do it. It's all about the calories at that point. Every doctor that has seen my mom has suggested I give her nutritional drinks. I tell them I already do. I was talking with one of the hospital RNs and she totally got the situation. She said her mom is the same and will only drink nutritional drinks and eat peanut butter.

Nutritional drinks are not harmful to health. While they are not the best thing for a healthy younger adult, they are basically expensive sugar milk afterall. For a elderly person who can't or won't eat enough, they are a lifesaver. In that case, "bone broths and green vegetable smoothies" is the fast lane to starvation.
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I can completely relate. I believe that your mother also has dementia by her actions and it also might be her personality. I have suffered tremendously because of my mother's rudeness to others and myself and her NPD. Actually, I would call her actions and words vicious and hateful. I have been the primary caregiver for her and she turned against me last year and lied to my 3 younger siblings about God only knows what that caused them to hire attorneys against me as CoTrustee, P.O.A., and Health Care Protector. It has been absolutely devastating and heart breaking for me. I caution you to protect yourself if you have other siblings who have not been involved and make an appearance every so often but do not want to help. My mother has made my life a living Hell and because of her I have felt like I am having a nervous breakdown not to mention the physical problems I am experiencing. Everyone around me keeps warning me to take care of myself because my mother's insanity will make me sick and so it has. Be so careful to protect yourself. It is absolutely imperative for your own well being. (My dad died over 5 years ago and myself and twin sister have and had been taking care of our parents in many, many ways for decades while the other 3 siblings were living their lives to the fullest.) I wish you the best. Remember, you must take care of yourself!
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I had a similar experience as Stressed32. I used to be a manager of a securities research team in my younger days and the people who worked on my team always told my boss how much they liked my being their manager. I never asked much of them, yet they always did so much more than they had to. So I was appalled at the quality of caregivers when I found out.

I have had caregivers tell me how much they care about the patient even when they only just met the patient. Clearly, they aren't being truthful. I have had caregivers try to watch TV or be on their phones most of the time. I have had caregivers try to feed the patient Boost or Ensure, processed drinks that are basically made of pro-inflammatory refined sugars, pro-inflammatory vegetable oils, and a vitamin/mineral pill. I even had one caregiver tell me that she had one patient survive 10 years consuming only Boost. I thought, "In spite of consuming Boost." These drinks are harmful to health, especially the elderly who often times have diabetes. If the elderly can't consume solid food, then they should be fed things such as homemade bone broths and green vegetable smoothies, not sugared junk.

Yes, the elderly can be stubborn. When I was hospitalized not that long ago, I was put on a ward that had a few elderly. They were VERY difficult. The woman next to me would refuse to be changed. She would try to hit and bite the nurses. One women down the hall peed all other herself when she first came. She screamed constantly for days. There was always at least one nurse with her. I was told that she wasn't in pain, that she was confused and didn't understand where she was. We lived with the noise because we understood.

They only way to fix the situation is to look around for a good agency, establish rules, and fire the ones who don't follow the rules.

Sad to say. It doesn't sound like your parents have that much longer to live. Try to make the best of it.
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Thank you for your insight stressed32. My father's care was suddenly thrust in my lap several months ago. I held a full-time job and I had to find someone to care for him. I felt I was in well over my head because my father had behavioral issues that were difficult to manage. At times I felt threatened. He is now bedridden but still very strong. He has punched me in the face while I tried to change him. He fights like a bear at times. I do not think I am taking the caregivers side over my parents because I know what the caregivers do and it is not easy. I have had my share of caregivers but these two ladies are head and shoulders above the rest. My father has a bath lady who comes in three times a week as well. I am at home now and I can observe what goes on and how the caregivers interact with my parents. I think they are very polite and attend to their needs.
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I had my father living with me because he had several cancers and was starting with dementia a bit. I was out of work and handled everything with hospice and hired caretakers for my dad. I can't tell you how sad it is to hear you defending the caretakers over your mom or dad. Everyday almost I had them leave and asked for diff caretakers. I saw them sit and watch tv, play games on their cell phones, take calls and text all day. They are their lunch before feeding my father. They didn't even sit with him. I even had One Who came and showered first wouldn't stay in room with my dad overnight and even emptied her luggage and washed all her clothes after I specially told her not to touch my washer or dryer. They are not as nice and sweet as you say. To your face yes to your father or mother NO. Just because your parents are older doesn't mean there wrong or stupid . I agree with other posts to get his doctor involved because nutrition is VERY important and if he's not eating or drinking alot because he's sleeping that's nor good. Also being bed bound causes bed sores and sitting in pee or stool will cause him.more infections and sores. He shouldn't be left because there afraid of being yelled at waking him. Either you get people who are used to handling dementia patients or he will need to be admitted where he can get proper care. Your mom is dealing with alot too its her husband lying there, shes used to taking care of him. Step back and try to see things from her side too. She needs your love and sympathy right now not defending strangers who aren't all that honest and great when your not there. Family is first.
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Not all elderly have dementia, contrary to some of the commenters on this site. Some are just as sharp as they ever were. Maybe some of you have allowed your parents to be drugged into oblivion. I avoid all meds and my mind is sharp. I went back to college at age 70 and maintained a 3.88 GPA and made the Dean's list and a national honor roll, so you may need to rethink your one-size-fits-all theories. Doctors are pill pushers and love it when you ask for something to shut down feelings of children and adults, giving them the okay to drug.  Most all of the comments I read here are adversarial to parents and many act as if they are reluctant parents to their elderly. Sickening how you turn caring into controlling.
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Cell phone usage:
eldercarelink.com/In-Home-Care/a-good-in-home-service-has-a-cell-phone-policy-for-caregivers.htm

Sundowners (yelling at the caregivers, especially in the late afternoon to early evening):
sundownerfacts.com/treatments/

I have found light therapy to be very effective. So I never tried the other treatments.
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I wake my mother up the same time every day...& put her to bed around the same time...she has dementia...you can’t go by what she wants so I make her sleep/wake schedule
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Get your father's doctor to write him a Rx (prescription) for "sleep until awakens" - show it to your mother. I got my mother's doc to write a Rx for "Ensure" (she hated it) any time she wouldn't eat - worked like a charm.
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A word about rude. It's always better to be polite, thoughtful, calm and civil - most of our Mothers taught us that. But aging presents so many situations, personality changes and memory issues that challenge the basic rules of polite society. At 76, I am both getting there AND providing advocacy for a dear friend who has memory loss and lives nearby in Assisted Living - so I can speak from both perspectives. As we age, our attitudes change - both in how we cope or accept what is happening to us and how we perceived others should treat us. And this, of course is the raw basis of the parental attitude attitude of "I took care of you so you should take care of me." Another of attitude issues is the basic power struggle - who get/has to make the defining decisions. So it is, Demstress, that your Mother sees her job, her responsibility and her important role in your Father's life as providing timely nourishment. Maybe instead of trying to get her to "give up" what has been her lifelong duty (keeping the meals flowing), you can talk to her about how important that was to you and him, and how you know it was a lifelong act of love - but NOW, showing love would be to let your Father rest/sleep when he is able. Maybe the caregiver could spend that time with your Mom in some special activity just for her -
saying let's do whatever until your husband wakes up, then we'll sit with him for a while or while he eats. In other words, GIVE her a perk and a job that continues to help mate instead of trying to take one away. I like that you are so appreciative of the caregivers - so many fail to understand what is involved.
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I agree with points made by Muffincat, Touchmatters and with you Demstress. I’ve not been in this forum very long, but I read about similar situations from others and suddenly I don’t feel so isolated and insane anymore. Very grateful to have found www.agingcare.com as a support network-There are few orgs available who support adult children, even in my own supposed progressive community, who network and allow caregivers to connect as well as this place. I stress self-care based on years of coping with family dysfunction and now overseeing my aging once very neglectful and abusive parent. It’s little things like helpful reenforcement from a free phone app called Balanced. I’m not here to promote phone apps, but just saying to do whatever it takes for me to be aware of the dynamics of this responsibility and be above the emotional fray when becoming involved in stages of my mothers care, with only one other family member who is far less involved than I.  She is still willing and curious and very intellectual. Those things I’ve admired about her.  It’s the other character traits that are not easy to parse and magnified as she ages... I’m dubbed her enemy and I won’t take it personal anymore. I accept it as part of her aging and confusion and cover my arse in any way possible from a legal standpoint. I’m sure some of those negative traits are passed onto my dna too and that’s a tough pill to swallow. There’s something to be said about becoming more self aware and grieving the loss of the parenting ideal. I just try my best to convey from a place of love for myself and others with empathy for an aging adult who happens to be my mother. 
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I absolutely love reading all your comments. I feel so grateful that I am able to consult a wonderful group of caring, knowledgeable people on any issue. I have asked many questions on my journey in helping my parents. My life suddenly changed in August and I had to deal with a combative dementia father on my own while my mother was in the hospital and then in rehab. When she came home from rehab, I had other issues to deal with concerning her care. You have all helped me so much. Thank you for being there. By the way, my mother was all praises for the weekday caregiver today. But as someone, I believe TouchMatters and lucyinthesky said, just acknowledge their concerns with "I hear you" and leave it at that.
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Finding out why Mom wants him to wake up is important. Then to establish what is best for Dad, and for all to agree to support that.
Each one is part of the team and needs to be heard, then support
the group agreement. If agreement cannot be made, then all need
to follow Doctor's orders. Open communication is so important.
I have found most strife is basically a failure to effectively communicate.
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As a (professional) care manager/provider (not a family member), often it is best to not engage in what will 99% of the time result in combative and/or argumentative dialogue. For instance, I would 'let' your mom say what she wants to you and do some reflective listening / say "I hear you" - and leave it at that. Do not 'allow' a tiff - that can only happen if two people engage in it. Remove yourself. I hear you Mom - and carry on. Take care of yourself. If you need to leave for 30 seconds-1 minute when she 'starts in' - learn to separate you/r self (emotionally). With a hostile, 'ready to blow' personality/dementia, it is best to agree and do what is necessary. The caregiver can do the same - listen and reflect back - and do what she needs to do. You want to avoid the 'push-pull' which your mom sets up, whether she knows it or not. Do not fall into that trap of right/wrong, good/bad.
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I have really 'enjoyed' reading all the responses.
My sister went through the opposite. Back a good 10 yrs ago now.
We knew my Ma wasn't well both mentally and physically, I was keeping my distance, as I had a fair idea what was happening, but because Id been a nurse, for some reason Pa decided I was the enemy, I guess he knew I knew he had early dementia, so left him to it.
Anyway Ma came out of hospital unwell so to help her get some decent nutrition it was organised for meals on wheels, for her but Pa stopped them within a week, saying it wasnt food he liked and it was too much. Despite my sister telling him that the food wasnt for him but Ma and it was a diet she liked, he refused. Same with caregivers they stopped them and many swap arounds.
Only ones Pa liked were the ones who broke all rules and accepted extra payment etc[ so he could Lord over them] He died and then the true extent of the problems came to light
fast forward to now.
It really sounds like one your mother doesnt understand that someone with Dementia needs to be allowed to sleep and live in their own clock. Their feeding time isnt the same as hers. And a grumpy aggressive dementia person really isnt worth it, more damage is done.
IF there are no skin problems, that he has no pressure sores that he is maintaining his weight, that he is kept clean. Then your mother needs to back off
Meanwhile have a meeting with not only the carers but the agency supervisor. What are the rules for cell phone use, its very boring doing an 8 hr duty when your client is asleep for 6 of them. [no they dont do housework or polish the silver]
what is acceptable, but playing games isnt.
My Ma is in the dementia unit as she is still mobile and would escape if she could, shhe is awake most nights and sleeps the day away, I can go visit hoping to find her awake but now its nigh impossible. I dont wake her and neither do the staff, she becomes very aggressive and upset to the point of a danger to herself and others. She is weighed monthly so they do see she gets sufficient to eat, her food and snacks are kept in the dept.
That is acceptable
So for you to survive, Demstress, get a physical status on your father, explain to your mother why its actually best for him to sleep as he wants and to forget the usual clock,
IF she cant understand or forgets within a day or two, then sadly I think you will have to realise that she is reaching the elderly state of not comprehending and understanding.
Which often happens when one is relieved of their responsibilities and is hoping for the past to remain.
You dont have an easy task, and certainly dont get in the middle, but do organise meetings and standards of expected care, what points and flags will measure those standards.
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Hi Demstress,  My mother has personality disorders with increasing dementia. She has difficulty asking for what she needs or calmly correcting how she would like things done. She’s a survivor of the 2nd world war with no counseling from trauma, yet she raised 3 children and went through 3 turbulent relationships. She suffers from years of PTSD as a child. I grew up exposed to all her anxiety.  She tends to triangulate and pit family or caregiver against another. She has been through 3 caregivers in 2 years and I have coordinated those processes and worked with the county for each new hire. The latest caregiver is by far heads and shoulders above the rest. As my mother started with similar behaviors of being shut in, snapping, mistrust and other paranoia that comes with her emotion cycles. I finally let go and laid it out in writing, and this time included my brother. She has extreme highs and lows and yes, doctors are all aware of her situation. Because she claims she is being controlled,  I explained in a letter that she is ultimately responsible to manage the caregiver and she is also able to screen, hire and fire a county worker (she has all the documentation and contacts to do so). Although she has increased cognitive issues, it helped to simply put the annual expectations, state benefits and her options in a 2 page 14 font letter as reference and a reminder. I’ve stepped back and away from her caustic bickering and rehashing of her pain toward me. It’s exhausting.  The caregiver texts me updates as needed. If it comes to a point where my mother is unruly and in danger, the caregiver can alert me. In the meantime, it’s peaceful and I keep a healthy distance from abusive communication and triangulation. This behavior is no different than my 50 years earlier growing up in her home, when I took care of her unstable emotions. Comes a time where I have to see the co-dysfunction for what it really is and set my own boundaries of what is acceptable for me in order to help, especially with histrionic personality disorder, splitting personality disorder depression, overt narcissism and now dementia. I’ve been on that roller coaster enough times to know it best to stay clear. I can not push the river. Good luck to you and remember to first care for yourself.
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Most agencies will have a nurse do an assessment and write up a care plan for the caregivers, you can give your input on what is needed or not ..including what to do and when. They should be doing light housekeeping, meals and laundry for the patients that should fill their time instead of playing on their phones
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I can relate to your Moms concerns with the caregivers. They will never provide the loving care to your father that she did.
Despite his grumbling she got him up anyway to feed & change him so it appears to your Mom as though they are lazy & not doing the job they are being paid for. Especially if she is asking them to do so & they are on their phones instead! Imagine the daily frustration for your Mom. And when she brings this to your attention you are "siding" with the caregivers. Your Mom feels ganged up on.....remember she is "old school"....when folks did the job they were paid for and then some! You will always be your Moms daughter/child. Yes please do "cut her some slack" as someone else pointed out. We sometimes forget how VERY difficult this is for them.
I experienced this issue with my Mom& caregivers. As soon as I acknowledged (agreed) with Mom rather than dismissing her VALID concerns we were able to "bond" & discuss those issues as a team. Afterall its you & your Mom who have your Fathers best interest at heart.
The conversations would go something like this: Yes caregiver A is so good at this & that but yes I'm not so sure about the other thing either. But don't really think its a dealbreaker do you? Neither one of us wants to deal with training a new CNA @ this point when she is so good @ this & that. And yes Caregiver B is on her phone alot....I don't like it either! I should speak to her about it. (And you should! It will only get worse is my experience.)
I am guessing your Mom has seen other caregiver behaviors that she hasn't even mentioned. An old boss of mine once said yrs ago "Very few folks can work effectively & actually do their job without direct supervision." He was so right!
Take this opportunity to share with your Mom & agree on something.........your little secrets together.......perhaps like you use to do. Give her the wink or secret eye roll when Caregiver B is doing what you both decided you would "put up with" for the sake of the much needed help!
This is what worked for us & its worth a try .....good luck ...xxx000
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I think your mom is starting with dementia too - have her checked out - her unwillingness to be flexible in her daily route & lashing out at family as well as 'I'M YOUR MOTHER' stance - it may be farther on than you think too

Tell your mom a theraputic fib that the dr. says dad is to wake up naturally - she probably wants company at the table - when possible ask the careworker to have a coffee with mom at those meals - the careworker has to eat lunch so would she be willing to eat at same time as your mom when dad is not there? -
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Caregivers shouldn't be using their phones when they are working. It's a huge issue, especially with caregivers who are working as contractors because the company they work for cannot tell them how to do their jobs. So you must do that. If the caregivers are employees, then you should contact the company and ask about their phone policy. The good ones do not allow their employees to be on the phone when they are working. Patients can get confused and upset when caregivers are on their phones.

It's normal for the elderly to yell at their caregivers. By the time they need caregivers, they are physically and/or mentally impaired. They can get confused easily. They can have sundowners. Most caregivers understand this. It's part of their job.

However, if there is a particular caregiver who your mom doesn't like, then you should let the company know. You can tell the company that the caregiver is just not a good fit. It's normal to try several caregivers to get a good fit.

Your father should be woken when the caregivers arrive. If he is allowed to sleep late, then it will be easy for him to get sundowners, which is a common condition among the elderly. To help manage his sleep, it's good to get a full spectrum light for his room. Turn the light on in the morning and keep it on during the day. The full spectrum light will help him wake up. It will help prevent his body from building up melatonin during the day when he should be awake. Then turn the light out after the sun goes down to help his body build up melatonin so he will sleep through the night and be ready to be woken up the next morning. You should also do this for your mom. She should not be sleeping during the day unless she is also sleeping soundly throughout the night.

I also agree that your dad should be woken up in the morning to move him, change him, check for bed sores, etc. And, yes, this is a common protocol. Many caregivers don't know how to do their jobs. The requirements for being a caregiver are quite low and include things such as being at least 18 years old, owning a car, and being able to lift someone, and not much else.
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I would have a talk with the caretaker and see hew she feels about it. It may not even bother her much. They may be used to such behavior
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As Countrymouse notes, you can check a diaper without waking the patient. My mother generally doesn't arise until noon or later (she always did like to sleep in), but that doesn't mean she's being neglected; far from it. Her diaper is checked, and changed if need be, every two hours during the night, plus she gets turned and repositioned on the same schedule. The CNAs can do a lot of this with my mom half asleep. I like Bobby's suggestion about having your mom be the one to wake your father.
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Why can't your mother wake your father and let her deal with the consequences until he calms down?
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It's perfectly possible to check a diaper without waking the person wearing it. Some brands have colour-change strips for the purpose, but in any case you can always have a quick, discreet feel for any wetness. And if it's soiled you'll know, believe me.
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You are wrong on so many levels regarding your Dad. Do you realize how long urine and/or feces has sat on his skin letting him sleep to his waking naturally? Bedsores, infection etc. He needs to be up and checked as soon as they arrive. If he were in the hospital, do you think the nurses doing their rounds would allow this to happen? You cannot take what they say literally. My mother can tell me everyday that she knows I wish she were in a nursing home, that I don't care etc. Grow thick skin and learn to ignore. We are not in their shoes having to be taken care of, especially if they were strong-willed in their younger life.
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Talk to the caregiver first to hear what she thinks. Then it's time to have a 3-way sit down. Clear the air. Keep it calm and civil. Otherwise, you will be in the middle forever.
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