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I’m having trouble understanding why my mother never expresses any gratitude or a thank you for taking care of her daily. She asks me why am I mad, I tell her I’m not mad I’m tired. I don’t like being a caregiver, I need help putting her to bed at night, getting her up in the morning, making breakfast, lunch, dinner. I’m tired and getting very depressed.

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Get some help for yourself. Maybe you should change the dynamics here. Have someone else provide care. Just do it. If Mom is 96 that means you are no Spring chicken yourself. Find some help in the community so you aren't resentful of what you are doing. And stop expecting her to do something she doesn't do. It will be easier if you can lower your expectations of what you think she should do.
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Toomush Sep 2021
My mother is 99. She lives with my wife and I. It drives my wife crazy that she never asks for something outright, or says "please". She'll say "I don't suppose there's any coffee?" or "I can't seem to find my sweater" or "what should I do with this phone?" She will say "thank you", mostly in a generic way. I think it all has to do with not showing weakness. Neither my wife nor my mother have ever been wrong in their lives, so there is some tension. I'm guessing all this started in a different place and a time long ago. Lowered expectations are the best expectations...
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I would be honest. First, you also are a Senior. Tell her "I really don't like being a Caregiver especially when I get no thank you for what I do for you." I believe in being direct.
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marymary2 Sep 2021
To the original poster, if you are honest, as others suggest scale down your expectations. I read recently a celebrity with a narcissistic mother was told by her (the celeb) shrink: "don't go to the hardware store for ice cream."
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Do not ever start caregiving for a parent, especially, and expect gratitude. It is more likely that you will become the reason for all their problems. Some people are just not emotionally prepared to be a caregiver. And that is ok.
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I think a nice talk with how you feel will help because it can lead to her feeling that vibe and react in ways you will not appreciate it. How does she treat you instead other than not thanking you. She might feel that you already know how grateful she is and doesn’t feel like she has to say it. Is there people that can help? Maybe she doesn’t know your feelings about being a caregiver. Talk to her. Also call the health and human services office and they can possibly help find you assistance if you qualify. My grandmother didn’t qualify for Medicaid but she qualified for that
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I'm of the ilk that people should be grateful for the blessings they're shown. And you're showing your mother a TON of blessings by caring for her daily. You don't deserve to be asked why you're 'mad', but told how lovely you look and thanked for all you do. She should tell you how delicious the food is that you serve her, and how grateful she is for all the hard work you put in on her behalf. But that's not going to happen, I guess, because she may not be grateful, or, she cannot properly express herself, who knows? I do know that my own mother has never been grateful for ONE thing in her entire life of 94.5 years. A couple of months ago my DH and I were trying to get her to acknowledge ONE blessing in her life and she would not do so; she could not think of ONE thing to be grateful for, which we found to be astonishing. Some people are glass half empty types, and my mother is one of them; perhaps yours is too.

My mother lives in Memory Care Assisted Living b/c I could never care for her in my home; I just couldn't and wouldn't. Maybe now is the time for you to either bring in hired help or look into placement for your mother. There comes a time when a person has to Cry Uncle, and this may be your time. Burn out is no joke; please don't become a statistic where your mother outlives YOU b/c of all the stress you're under! God forbid.

Wishing you the best of luck looking after YOURSELF now! You deserve to.
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disgustedtoo Sep 2021
"Some people are glass half empty types, and my mother is one of them..."

Sounds more like your mother is the "glass is empty AND dirty and you left it for me to clean up!"
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Placement time
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BurntCaregiver Sep 2021
Amen to that, Cover99
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I find the older they get, the more they just assume you would give up your entire existence and do everything for them. I don’t know if the dementia has a major role in this, as both my parents (75) are not like this. They’re very much, “You’re a busy working mom, with two young boys, you need a vacation, not looking after me!” At least they were until my Dad had a stroke, and my mom realized how desperately she needs my help. But in her case (no dementia) she feels guilty for adding more to my plate. My MIL however, acts like OF COURSE we should bend over backwards and cater to her every whim.

Maybe it’s personality (for instance, was your mother always a taker?), or maybe it’s the dementia. I’m not sure.
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BurntCaregiver Sep 2021
MIL's are different sometimes than your own mother is. MIL's often resent their DIL's and many times have jealousy issues with them as well.
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So sorry your mother has forgotten how to see things from another's perspective - yours. Unfortunately, this seems to happen with seniors that have dementia. They forget how much work you are actually doing since everything revolves around themselves and their own feelings. Please try not to take this personally.

I am more concerned that you are tired and don't like being a caregiver. It isn't as if you have to love this role, but it should not be pulling you down. I suspect you do all the work and do not get enough "time off." Every person needs enough "time off": to get 7-9 hours of good sleep every day, to eat 3 healthy meals at a reasonable pace, to take care of daily hygiene and own healthcare needs, to socialize with friends/family doing things they enjoy. Please ask family members, friends, members of your faith community, and paid help (sitters and home health aides) to help take some of the weight off your shoulders - at least weekly, but daily would be best. It might also be a good idea to research adult day programs and respite options near where you live.
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We don't know your mother, only what you've provided here. So, was she the type to thank you in the past, for anything you might have done for her (before you became her caregiver)? Maybe she's just not the type to thank people. There are many of them out there.

If this is the way she was, it isn't likely to change now. If she was the thankful type before, maybe she's just beyond all that now. You list her age as 96 and she has a host of medical issues. She may not be very thankful at this point in life!

Could you one time just ask her if she's thankful you are here to care for her? Maybe she doesn't realize how much it takes out of us to do all this, esp since YOU are likely a senior now too, with your own physical issues. If she can't thank you, then just let it go. YOU know what you do for her, so you can pat yourself on the back, when you aren't too tired to reach back there! If she does thank you, maybe it will bring out a little more. If she's asking why you're mad, it may get in the way of thanking you, thinking you are angry with her.

In your profile you mention this:

"I have to take her to the grocery store and it takes 1 to 2 hours because she can barely walk and won’t let me buy groceries for her."

Where is the "let" in this? Why not just do it? At least get the usual items, when she's not with you. Before going, check items and make a smaller list of things to get, because "we have these already." If she can't be left alone at home, then for that reason AND to take some of the onus off of you, perhaps you could hire some help.

Additionally, although she may be slow, why do you have to "make" breakfast and lunch? Can she not eat simple items for those meals, things that she can manage, such as hot/cold cereal, toast, sandwich and/or soup, pre-made salad, cottage cheese with fruit, etc?

Time saving: In order to save some time in food prep and cleanup, I make a full meal, as if for the family, and then freeze it in single meal portions (obviously not everything can be done this way, but it saves me a lot of time AND when I'm not up to preparing something, I can pop these in the microwave. It doesn't take more time, really, to prepare and clean up for this, but it means doing it once instead of multiple times. Maybe use some for lunches too, in a pinch?
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There could be a multitude of reasons -
* She expects you to do what you do.
* She doesn't possess the emotional response to feel grateful/gratitude or appreciation so she cannot express a feeling she doesn't have.
* She may have narcissistic tendencies - its all about 'me, me, me'
* It might help if you talk to her more directly when she asks why you are 'mad' - clearly you are expressing frustration, disappointment, lack of feeling appreciated, and I suspect - as you say, tired and depressed.
* It may (or may not) help her to know that by saying "thank you, I appreciate what you do for me," would make a world of difference to you.
* I believe most people do not like being a caregiver, especially when thrust into the job without much or any choice in the matter, one's life likely totally changes, and some of the duties are difficult and unpleasant. On top of this, there is no training on how to support someone with their physical needs (changing disposal underwear, cleaning sheets for instance) nor any knowledge or experience in interacting with a person who has dementia.
- I would suspect most people 'do this work' because it is a family member or a parent. Some seem to feel honored or responsible without questioning their circumstances; most seem to be overwhelmed and tired, and not setting personal boundaries/limits of what one can and cannot do.
* If I were you, I would tell your mother how you feel. It is an exercise for you to assert yourself and what you would like from her (a thank you). It will be valuable for you to speak up regardless of how she responds, although be prepared for any response.
* This work is very difficult. When it also involves a personal relationship, it adds more stress or emotional/psychological expended energy (draining perhaps).
* Lastly, I would ask you to really look at how you do feel inside. You might not identify as feeling 'mad' although you might feel angry - at all you 'have to do' / are doing.
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Hopeforhelp22 Sep 2021
Touch matters - wow - great answer.
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I have to laugh about this. Let me explain….
My Husband was pretty much non verbal he made noises but rarely talked and never a conversation for the last 7 or 8 years of his life. He loved going to Costco and Sam’s. I liked taking him there because he could walk around easily with the taller carts and when he had to start using a walker the aisles were wide enough that he would not get tripped up. Well he loved the samples they used to give out. And it blew my mind that when he would get a sample he would always say “thank you”.
I could make his favorite meal, would shower him, change him, put him to bed, get him up and NEVER a thank you.

You do get burned out. You do get frustrated. You do get angry at the situation. I do hope you have the help you need. It does make things easier. Even a few hours away can help.
Contact your area agency on aging and see what services mom might qualify for.
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Santalynn Sep 2021
Yes, polite and gracious and even charming to 'the help' but not the relatives, cuz, well they're 'just there', part of the furniture, right? lol
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I think some of the cared for get used to being catered to and believe it is their right and not a gift.

You need assistance. Mom has to pay for the assistance. Have them in twice a day if mom can afford it - otherwise 2 or 3 times a week to assist you in the morning and/or evenings. Their duties could include meal prep as well as looking to your moms care needs. If that is not helpful, maybe its time for mom to be placed in SNC.

While they are there take time for yourself to run errands or just take a break from mom.

Prayers that you are blessed with peace.
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It's no wonder why you are feeling tired and getting depressed..especially given that your mom isn't expressing any gratitude. By not knowing how your relationship has been with your mom until now, it's unclear as to know if she's ever had the ability to show any gratitude or what kind of relationship you've had with her prior. But, I think being more candid with her in a non-confrontation way may ease your frustration...rather than just responding that you're tired, you can share from the heart how you really feel. And if you're getting very depressed, that's a sign to take whatever steps you need to in order to alleviate your own discomfort...such as, getting some assisted help, reaching out to other family members for support - anything you can do to step away for time for yourself. It sounds like care-giving for her has been all-consuming and that in itself is emotionally and physically draining - I hope you do whatever you can to ease your situation and to provide time to recharge your mind, body and spirit.
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CaroB123 Sep 2021
I reallllllly understand what you're saying. I am the only caregiver for an 88 year old diabetic, amputee who is legally blind, has a profound hearing deficit and seldom uses the "Thank You" phrase. When he became extremely dependent on me, he couldn't seem to say thanks or I'm sorry anymore. I may be wrong, but I think is has something to do with not wanting to admit that he is no longer in control of his life. He is a proud man who always was able to take care of anything that came up. Not so anymore. It just seems that if he acknowledges the assistance, he's also acknowledging that he is unable to care for himself of his family. I think he doesn't want to appear weak.
Every evening, when he has been fed and bathed and is safely ensconced in front of a screen (TV or Computer), I go take a walk. Mostly I shoot for a mile or two. I listen to music while I walk and by the time I get back home, I feel relaxed and happy. It may only be 1/2 hour or so, but it is a valuable part of my day.
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Kids never thank their parents for all they do while they're growing up, and elderly parents never thank their kids for what they do for them as they age.

Both are pretty self-centered at their respective ages and utterly clueless that the other is tired and would like a little recognition.

Consider yourselves even at this point.
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bundleofjoy Sep 2021
hugs MJ. :)
hope you’re well :).

i do understand what you mean, but i disagree.

we can just agree to disagree :).

my opinion:
parents chose to have children. it’s not correct to think when a baby is born, “welcome to life! and when i’m elderly, you’ll take care of me! your future has already been decided! yipee!”

no.
parents chose to have children. when a man/woman get together, they know a child might happen. and they’ll have to care of the child.

not all children are brats.
some children are very polite, say “thanks” to their parents all the time, while growing up.

some elderly parents, however, are brats. some are even sadistic:

intentionally not saying “thanks” to make you angry. they know very well they should say thanks. they want you to be mad, angry, frustrated, tired, depressed…

playing dumb, “why are you angry?”

normal would be:
“hey i can see you’re getting very unhappy. i want you to live your life. you’ve done so much for me. i don’t know who else can help me, but you’ve done enough. i want you to blossom, live your life.”

hugs.
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Hope you're well!

I understand your situation. Don't take it to heart and always remember one thing "Take care of yourself so you have space to care for others". I hope everything turns out ok for you.
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Could it be because she doesn't feel any. You are obviously struggling with what you have to do for her, so unless you are an absolute angel it is unlikely you do it cheerfully - and I really don't put any blame on you for that, it is affecting your health and caring isn't something you enjoy. If you do it with a negative attitude she is going to think you are cross with her, and perhaps you say things that could be interpreted that way?? It sounds as though you need to get carers in to get her up and put her to bed, and to look after her personal needs. You also need to see your Dr to get your depression sorted out. If you are in all day then cooking meals is probably not that difficult for you if you do not have to do the other things, but if it is have meals delivered from one of the agencies, not necessarily to replace all meals but maybe one a day would leave you with just breakfast and a hot light meal for when ever suits you best. You need to look after your own health for your own sanity and also because if you are not healthy you cannot look after your mother. Alternatively get her into assisted living so you can have pleasant visits with your mother not chores that you are not cut out for. No guilt there - we really are not all cut out for caring, we need to admit when we aren't and find away both lives can be improved.
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Santalynn Sep 2021
You made me think maybe we should say 'Yes I'm mad, because I'm working hard to help you but I don't feel appreciated AND I'm tired.' I do feel being straightforward sometimes makes 'the light go on' even for a moment. Some Narcissists have to be Told what another person is feeling to even become Aware since they are totally self-focused most of the time!
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If she is generally a person gets people to do things for her without expressing gratitude then it is just a personality thing. That would mean that she is a narcissist and feels entitled.

I feel (from personal experience) that when we are stretched thin due to care giving, our minds become vulnerable to seemingly small things (for example, she did not eat something that I made for her specially taking into account her diet restrictions) take on greater significance. I feel only setting boundaries, and getting help will help restore a balanced perspective.
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Santalynn Sep 2021
Totally agree; my mom was always an 'entitled Narcissist', never satisfied, unable to even Notice when someone was good to her unless it was an actual waittress or other Paid person, 'cuz: that's their Job, right? But a family member? Well we
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Some people will never, ever - no matter what - show empathy or say thank you. I hate those people - they are selfish and cruel and think only of themselves. I personally would not, no matter who they are and the relationship, be involved with them. If it was affecting me very negatively, I would attempt to explain and try to fix it but it most likely is not going to happen - and it should not be tolerated. I would walk away and never look back. They made their beds and now let them lie in it......THIS IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
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Riley2166 Sep 2021
Find someone to step in and care for her (you steer clear of her and live your life while you still can) or you place her. DO NOT CONTINUE DOING FOR HER IF IT IS SLOWLY DESTROYING YOU.
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People who cannot be thankful or appreciative of other people's efforts on their behalf are known as:

Ingrates

Before your mother is put into the ingrate category, let me ask a question.
Is she thankful when someone other than yourself does anything for her? Can she show gratitude to other people?

If the answer is 'yes' then on top of being an entitled ingrate your mother also has no respect for you.
Either way, stop being her caregiver. You don't want to do it and no one should be forced to. Hire paid help.
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bundleofjoy Sep 2021
agreed!!
and i’m in the same boat.

in my case, the answer to your question is “yes”.

courage to us all. burntcaregiver, flowerpots, all of us!!

bundle
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You do not indicate whether or not your has Alzheimer’s Disease and dementia. One of the early traits that I observed about the disease is that patients stop having empathy or concern for other people. For example, I would literally cry to my mother about her demented behavior. At that time it was her little paranoia about people stealing things from her apartment that did not occur. I also noticed with a LO when I accidentally burned myself in the kitchen cooking and shrieked about it. My LO did not even look my way. You may be overwhelmed and overworked but your mother does not see it or even care.
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Mine says thank you but then turns around and either complains that it wasnt done correcfly or then adds more chores and makes it my problem that Im tired and exhausted because I "work too hard" ( for her) ...never taking any responsibility.
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My mom 84 was the same way. She lived in my house. Frankly, she was outright nasty. I'd get calls or texts (she still remembered how to text) me all day, "water," "hungry," "TV not working," "too hot," "dropped something," etc. Then the impossible behavior: up all night, won't take meds, falls, refusing to use cane or then walker, only let me change her sheets 2 times in 9 months YUCK (had incontinence, can you imagine).

Best response after brining her pizza -- her favorite food -- for dinner to her bedroom [every meal was eaten in bed] was "I cannot eat this, it was cooked in your dirty oven." Nothing was every done right in her mind. Her "good daughter" she would tell me "would do it better." LOL, there is no other daughter, I am an only child.

About a year ago, she had a bad fall and was in the hospital for two weeks. Thereafter, she went to rehab and then thankfully that transitioned into a permanent long term care stay at the same facility which is an awesome high quality facility. I do not expect any gratitude or understanding from her at this point. With lots of help from my husband, my adult kids and a therapist I am starting to get over this -- it will take years. My mom is a narcissist. Add in dementia, immobility and other medical/mental conditions (diabetes, arthritis, COPD, clinical depression, OCD) it was a total "sh__show."

My advice is get outside help ASAP OR really consider a permanent nursing home or assistive living/AL placement (if there are funds for the later). Get POA and other legal docs in order if you do not have them. Talk with an eldercare attorney so these docs can be executed as well as to get advice on how to prepare to spend down for Medicaid long term care coverage (assuming there are not sufficient funds to cover AL which is largely only private pay). Your local "area agency on aging" can also be helpful to navigate things (adult day care, respite care for you, etc.). If your mom ends up at the hospital at some point for any inpatient reason, the social workers at the hospital can be helpful about "best placements" post discharge and argue for a rehab discharge which Medicare can pay for, for at least some period of time. If that rehab facility is also a Medicaid-qualified long term care facility, a transition right there to a permanent stay may be possible. Carefully review the rehab/nursing facility contract, and DO NOT check the box that you'll take her home upon discharge from their facility AND DO NOT check the box that you agree to be financially responsible. Again, an attorney can help you execute that contract so that you are: 1) not financially responsible yourself and 2) that you do NOT have to guarantee you'll take them back and to review other aspects of that contract doc. If you are considering AL (if you or she has the funds for that as it is private pay -- that is about $14K a month where we live for those needing near nursing home level of care) also carefully review that contact. Some private pay AL facilities when the money runs out, discharge them -- then where does your LO go????

At the end of the day, you need to help get your mom the care she needs but THAT DOESN'T MEAN that that care has to come directly from you. Setting boundaries is very hard, but you have to protect yourself so that you can find a pathway forward to both live your life while assuring you mom is cared for most likely by others. Few among us can handle 24/7 care sans outside help. And when that LO is nasty, lacks gratitude, and/or has impossible behaviors (often part of dementia); sustaining one-on-one care w/o help will lead to burnout, your own depression, and resentment. You can be a good daughter while letting others care for your mom, even if that is a permanent placement somewhere.

Good luck. This is a very hard journey.
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Sounds like you need help and having Burn Out.

I'm sure your mom is thankful for all you do and that she is home and nor in a Nursing Home. She may not even think about saying thank you.
If mom has the money then you need to use it to hire help.
If there us no money to hire help then you need to discuss with mom about putting her in a home.
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I'm in the same Situation my mom's a 79 year old quadriplegic paralyzed from the breast down She has 3 sons daughter Laws grandkids nobody helps ,CNA's calling out whenever they want to nurses sometimes they want you doing their jobs, I'm tired In my mom she seems to be getting weaker and weaker as years go past She fell in 2017 I had her sense 2018 You must put yourself 1st because I'm trying to figure out how I can do that I don't believe in nursing homes they're very bad
That's my Opinion You have to find some way to put yourself 1st because I'm searching because I refuse to go down God says honor your mother and father You can't stop searching for a way to find help for yourself I'm going to get help for myself
Your story sounds just like me my mom was so into her sons
I say those same words that you're speaking right now
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Riley2166 Sep 2021
God may say love your mother and father - but God goofed if he did not say HONOR YOUR CHILDREN AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM HONOR YOU. If they have no respect for you and what is being done to you, then stop at once. I don't care what their reasons are for being like this, physical and/or dementia, it does not matter. You owe them nothing if you are not being treated well. Get help or place them.
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You don't say if she has dementia or not but try having a talk with your mother about how you REALLY feel. See if you can get her to really hear you and answer you. Your profile says your mother is 96 - keep in mind that she may be feeling isolated and angry at her own lack of dependence, or even guilty about it.
More important is that you are burning out from care taking. It's time to stop "doing it all" and get some respite. Can you solicit other family members to give you a break every week? Can you use your mom's resources to hire some part-time care - even if it's 2-3 hours a day - once or twice a week? I can assure you, you will be less depressed and tired. One thing I will stress is that you insist on outside care even if your mother objects - which she will. She will get used to it and you will get the self-care you sorely lack. Please think about it.
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I can work my but off for hours on end and all my devils daughter can do is find fault. I do not take it personally and just calmly inform her that gratitude shows respect and maturity. It would be nice if she put the big girl panties on and show some respect. Otherwise, if she wants to behave like a child, she can do it herself. It shuts her up- for a little while.
If you have siblings it is time for them to pitch in either helping take care of her or helping pack her bags for her new home, a seniors home.
Do not get depressed. Rather take it to Jesus. He has been there done that. He will calm you down, restore your energy and bless you with peace. He may also suggest you move on down the road and let momma take care of herself.
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My mil (lived with us the last 8 months of her life) was constantly saying "I'm sorry." One day my daughter said to her, "Grandma, instead of telling mom all the time that you are sorry, maybe you say 'Thank you' instead." Mil got the message and began expressing thanks.

Like father like son. Her constant "I'm sorrys" were because she lived under such condemnation from her husband, she was never good enough, never did anything right, so she lived a life of constant apology. I recognized that when she was with us in 2010 and determined that "I'm sorry" would not be said to my husband unless there was actually a reason to apologize. My husband is way too much like his father, maybe even worse. He does eek out an occasional "Thank you," but it is rare.
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Flowerpots: Imho, considering your mother's advance age of 96, perhaps she is unable to express 'thank you's' to you, although she may hold them in her heart. Also, you require respite through any means possible, e.g. Visiting Angels, et al.
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Edit: Your mother's *advanced* age.
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I’m sorry, I’m going through the same thing. I feel like my life is being sucked right out of me. I wish I could help you, as well as myself. I find this forum helpful, knowing I’m not alone. Tired and depressed sure sums it up! My father ignored me and family for 20 years, cause that’s what his wife wanted. Shows up at my door 3 years ago and now expects me to give up my life to take care of him. I guess it’s the nasty ungrateful attitude, which really gets to me. I know this is not helpful response, but I just hope knowing others are in the same situation helps.
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BurntCaregiver Sep 2021
TeeTee15,

If your father ignored you and your family for the last 20 years, you owe him nothing.
He chose his wife over you his daughter and his family.
Your family owes him nothing.
You're a better person than he is for taking care of him for the last three years.
Not it's time to put his ungrateful abandoning a$$ in a nursing home and be done with it.
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