Back in April, my mom got sick unexpectedly and we had to move her into a nursing home with hospice care. We literally thought she had less than a month to live so we transferred her car to her oldest grandchild. Now 7 months later, she is still around and doesnt seem to be dying anytime soon and we are running out of her money so we will have to apply for Iowa Medicaid. I know they will have a lookback and see we transferred the title to him. I was told we can ad my mom back on as a co owner and be fine. Has anyone else had experience with this or any advice?
In my experience with NYS, if the grandchild titles back the car with an affidavit from an attorney explaining the error it will be accepted when doing the 60 month look back and your LO will not be penalized. Otherwise, it is a gift and considered a penalized non allowed expense that will delay when Medicaid goes into effect.
FWIW, in NYS the long term care resident is allow to keep 1 car title and deem it medically necessary transportation. Once Medicaid long term care goes into effect the POA can add their name as a co-title ower. BUT, this is under an eldercare attorney expertise. My past results may differ depending on your state and state laws. If you are POA, I strongly encourage you to seek one.
Edit to add: The expense of the eldercare attorney should be taken from you LO account and it is an allowed expense.
If you are her POA, have you gone thru her banking to see what’s what back to 2019 for any other $ moves by her? If you haven’t or you are not the POA, I’d really really suggest that before you / POA do anything else, do this and do it throughly. BEFORE doing anything with the car. Why? Well the caseworker is going to see the recent car title move and the tendency is to assume, if this happened… well it’s likely it happened before.
Transfer inquiry tends to be into any checks or withdrawals over $500 that do not fit her pattern of spending.
fwiw switching back to a Co-ownership won’t “cure” title transfer gifting issue. If car was 100% in her name as per title, it was 100% gifting of the value if her name revoked totally and now only titled in the grandkids name. Value usually is Blue Book value. Co-ownership still has 50% gifting issues. It doesn’t solve the problem, it imo makes it more complicated. Probably the best path would be grandkid would sign it back to grannie for zero $ and then POA sells it for its full Fair Market Value with the $ 100% going to asset spend down. But this is really something for a Medicaid casework to definitively answer as LTC Medicaid has maximum value amounts placed on homes and cars for them to even be viewed as exempt to start with. The caseworker would need to clear the actions taken.
Realize, if the grandkid - I assume is not a minor - has zero interest in doing any of this, has no inclination to give car back, they do NOT have to do anything. It’s legally their car.
There might be a way around this, but it won’t be pretty. It would be that the grandkid coerced Grannie into this - took advantage of a vunerable adult - and Grannie & her POA are willing to work with APS on this and then will file a police report as to this and do the follow up in court for the charges against him. However Grandkid can get an attorney and force depositions from everyone in this bad drama. A good atty will make your mom look like an idiot.
Whomever POA in this cockup has the fiduciary responsibility to have handled their moms affairs better & now it’s on them to deal with this. Even if grandkid suggested all this, the POA is responsible to ensure proper oversight. & if it ends up grandkid won’t budge, and a transfer penalty placed, then its on the POA to find a way to private pay for her care in the NH till penalty period is over and she can be eligible for LTC Medicaid. Or takes her mom out of the NH into her home to caregive till past the lookback period. Not a lot of options as LTC Medicaid regulations are very narrow.