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He complained for several years he was lonely living where he was. Both y brother and I lived at least 400 miles away. So, I moved him to an ALF 10 minutes from my house and have spent countless hours getting him settled, finding doctors, getting all the finance stuff arranged, having him over to my house for dinners/holidays with the family, etc....and nothing makes him happy. He calls constantly with the same list of physical complaints that we have already seen all kinds of doctors for and tested for (including dementia). It all comes back as just a part of normal aging. He needs more assistance (he's getting his medications mixed up) but, complains loudly about the price of it even though he has plenty of money. I sure some of his attitude is due to depression/anxiety but, when I encourage him to do activities in his new home to meet people, be happier, he always says he's too busy! Every interaction with him is very negative to the point where it is affecting my own mental health. Every time I see him calling on my phone or I look on the calendar and see I have to take him to an appointment somewhere, I feel sick to my stomach. Then I feel incredibly guilty because I should want to help my dad. I don't know how to handle this short of just restricting his calls and the time I spend with him. Any thoughts?

We did remote dr appointments with Mom (through the phone).

Another option is to hire caregiver service to take him to his appointments. In my area you pay a 3 hour minimum.

Do the minimum of appointments--push for the minimum.
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Hi I’m in the exact same boat with my 91 year old Dad. I just keep thinking about that front row seat in heaven when I go. Seriously, things that work for him: 300 piece puzzles, morning walks or just sitting outside eating Italian ice. Pre-made soft foods from the deli. That book where you write your own story in it. Movie night at my house w/popcorn, which for some reason makes him happy. Just keep looking for things they enjoyed as a child. Crazy, I know, but it works. Hang in there 😁
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Sorry this is happening to you and to your father. It is a huge adjustment for him to have relocated and to be in a facility.

Here is what I suggest to help you cope with this situation. I would limit taking calls to just once a day. If there is an emergency, you will be notified. If the ALF has a service for bringing residents to appointments, I'd have it set up for them to bring him to the less important appointments. I also wouldn't get involved in his day to day life at the ALF. If he wants to participate in activities that's great. If he doesn't, he doesn't. He's earned the right to decide that without your input. I would also visit only once a week.

I wish you luck. This isn't easy.
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Your father, much like my mother is a senior brat. As PeggySue2020 so rightfully says in her comment below (I paraphrase) 'all senior brats whine and cry to get their own way'. A senior brat is very like a child one and you handle them the same way.

You ignore them.

When your father calls and starts up with the complaining and the negativity, tell him you will not listen to this and end the call. When you are visiting and he starts up with it, the visit ends that veyr minute. Then tell him you will not be visiting if all he's going to do is complain and spread around negativity.

I got married recently and could not have my mother at my wedding because of the complaining, the negativity, and the misery spreading. She ruined the first one more than 30 years ago the same way and I wasn't going to let her do it again. So she sat home watching cable news and working herself up into a panic like she does every day. People rarely visit her because they don't want to deal with the instigating, negativity, complaining and misery.

Our parents are emotional vampires. Making others miserable is how they feed. You just have to leave them to it. They're not interested in enjoying anything or trying to be active and social. Their only enjoyment in life is bringing others down. Your father's in AL. Let him find people there he can feed off of emotionally.

I had to take a big step back from my mother because if I didn't, who knows what would have become of me. I moved back in with her for a few years to help her out and it almost resulted in a tragedy.

Save yourself and stop being your father's sounding board.
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Unfortunately, you cannot make another person happy. He is at the end of his life and I am sure this is a hard time for him. I have no idea what my mood or temperament will be if I live to be in my 90's. I hope I am thankful and grateful and make the most of every moment I have, but most elderly I have been around are not that way. Your body and mind are not what they used to be. You have lost loved ones and friends. You no longer have purpose to your day. I get it I really do.

My mom was the same way when I moved her to assisted living. The only thing that changed her mood was meeting a man. He lived in down the hall from her. They befriended one another and all of the sudden she had someone to dine with, watch tv with, sit outside with, etc. I bet your dad would not be calling you with complaints if he had a female companion. Start showing up at meal time and sit at a table with other residents. Start asking them their names and where they are from...introduce your dad. Once you do that a couple of times he will be able to do it on his own. Talk with the activities director and let her know what you're doing and ask that she pull your dad into things with these same people.

My mom didn't have hobbies, was not a social person and always very negative. The dementia exaggerated all of those traits and it was not pretty. My mom connecting with this man was the only thing that saved my sanity. You shouldn't have any trouble pairing your dad up with anyone....there are usually 20 women for every one man in these places.

Good Luck!
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Scampie1 Aug 27, 2024
Sounds like the same ratio in this dating market for younger women and the amount of available men. LOL
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For you, read any of the boundary books by Townsend and Cloud. They are counsellors with a success record for helping folks deal with others' problem behaviors. Your dad's constant negativity and complaints are problem behavior. Create a plan to deal with his behavior as well as meet his needs: physical, health, financial... You will not be able to "help him" to be more social or happier - those are his choices.

For him, get him a referral to a psychiatrist, preferably a geriatric psychiatrist. This doctor can evaluate and treat his mental health issues - probably depression. Just remember that it takes time for psychoactive medications to be effective and to find the right combination and dosages.
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You cannot 'make him happy.'
It sounds like he has dementia. Read / study it so you understand what symptoms you are dealing with (as) the brain changes.

[It sounds like] You are interacting with him as if he is the same person you've known for many decades. He is not the same person so you need to change how you 'see' him and respond to him accordingly (with a changing brain).

If you do not change your 'intention' (mission to 'make him happy') you will continue to burn yourself out. You need to deal with your guilt as this seems to be running you. Once you understand what dementia is, even if he isn't diagnosed, he is changing - and you need to change your intentions, thoughts, behavior.

You need to learn that it is - not only OKAY for you to let limits with your time/energy - it is essential. Otherwise you will continue to lose your 'self,' feel frustrated and exhausted - and 'feel sick to your stomach' as you say . . . of course you do; you are not allowing yourself to have any down time / life of your own. The question is "why not"?

Tell yourself it is okay to set boundaries with him.
If he decides not to socialize with others, that is his choice.

If he has 'plenty of money,' find caregivers / people to help him socialize - either on a one-to-one situation or a caregiver can accompany him to facility events to ease him into it, or take him out for lunch - whatever. If he doesn't want to go, that is up to him.

He will always have reasons / excuses not to xxx.
You need to tell him what you will / will not do and make arrangements for others to support him / keep him company. First, you need to feel that you DESERVE a life of your own and that your dad is not your full responsibility - to the point you are overwhelmed, exhausted, getting sick. Why are you doing this to yourself?

Why do you take it upon yourself to do 'everything' - when he has the money to hire others to SUPPORT YOU to have a life of your own? You need to consider the quality of life you want for YOURSELF and adjust your interaction / visiting accordingly. This may be a pattern of yours for decades with your dad - perhaps it started in childhood. Once you understand what is running you, you will be able to make decisions to change it / stop.

He is running circles around you and you are allowing it.
If you do not stop, it will continue.

If you need support, get into therapy. And, let him pay for it.
So few have the financial resources he has; he is so fortunate.

Gena / Touch Matters
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Q1. What is happiness?
Q2. Where does it come from?
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This group sometimes reads like a NotAgingCare or a CareGiverCare group...I thought this was about how to make ourselves be better caregivers to our loved ones, and make them feel better and happier rather than hoping they would die. But can we make other people happy? can we give meaning to someone who feels alone, useless, in pain and regret? What do we as caregivers do to better ourselves besides attempting to "get our lives back"? I don't have answers, and my struggles and failures are daily. I fear to lose my sanity, my lover, my family, my friends, my character... but I can tell you that in the many years of struggles I had with my Dad trying to get him to be happier, many time by instructing him what to do to get there - whihc almost never worked, that only on those few occasions, when I was cool, relaxed and non-judgmental I ended up having a real good time with him, reminiscent of the good time we had together before teenage years drove us apart. So, does that mean we need to spend latter lives in constant hindsight and reflection? perhaps...I don't know. In some cultures it's not such a big deal, in others, much more so. But I can also say that the afternoon when he died in my arms was an afternoon of great sadness even if it had an air of relief, and not a day goes by that I dont think of the clever and funny man he was, and what a waste it was that we fought and bickered so often. What a waste it was... or was it?
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waytomisery Aug 25, 2024
“ I fear to lose my sanity , my lover , my family , my friends ,” .

I almost did all that until I learned I was banging my head up against the wall over a very unhappy person and needed to back off in order to not lose my own family relationships. I could no longer spend so many hours trying to make a person happy who I realized did not want to be happy.

And what I learned was that backing off was the right thing to do , it made them adjust to assisted living better , rather than them just waiting for me to come visit . They learned to find other ways to occupy themselves.

In order for a caregiver to have compassion and be able to deal with the negativity , many of us have to limit the exposure to a tolerable level . We can’t all be martyrs .

I don’t see compassion or support for caregivers in your post , I see criticism .
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For a moment I thought I wrote that, but you said father! My Mother is 95, and your feelings about how I have been feeling for years. The only difference is my Mom is 95, and she is still living in her own home. I am to fearful of putting her into assisted living because her narcissistic personality has the potential to get her evicted. She can’t get evicted from her own home. We now have caregiver aids coming several times a week,an and just now starting up a weekly visit with a nurse. I know that guilty feeling all too well! The difference we have to remember is, they don’t feel guilty and will drain your life force and joy if you let them. Stop bringing him to your house, and let him deal and live in his community. It is not our purpose in life to keep them happy. We love our parents, but we don’t have to be exhausted running to their needs. Keep you home your sanctuary of peace.
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I am really shocked to read a post below that says “I make sure I get at least an hour a week out of the house away from him”! People who are considering moving a parent in with them, should look at this and consider it seriously.
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MiaMoor Aug 25, 2024
That's heartbreaking, that they think one hour a week is enough. 😥
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Helping someone to fit in is great – even the new kid in school is helped by a ‘mentor’. But the ‘someone’ has to be willing and able to help with the fit. You can’t force the peg who insists on staying square, because fitting in is ‘beneath him’. The unhappy result is his own choice.
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You can not make anyone happy. Make sure he is safe, well fed and has companionship available. Some elders are never happy…some it is a lifelong issue we did not notice when we were busy and they were self sufficient. Refuse to engage in the negative chatter.
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Is dad cognizant?
If so back off some of the things you are doing for him.
If he has no urgent medical appointments and the ones he has are just follow up or lab work the ALF has transportation and they can take him. You can bring him when there is something more urgent or for an annual physical or if you think there is a specific problem.

You restrict his calls.
If you are working this gets real easy.
"Dad, I can no longer take calls during work hours. I can return calls and call you when I am off work." If it is an emergency the facility will call you.

You need to realize YOU are not responsible for making dad happy. YOU are not responsible for his depression.
If he is too busy to get involved with the activities at the ALF then he is doing something. Now if the reason he is busy is because he is calling you then that will change when you stop taking all his calls.

And...how often do you visit? If it is more than 1 time a week cut back to once a week. Let him find something to do himself.
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Decades ago, when my grandfather was elderly, he was very short tempered and verbally mean to my mother who did a lot for him, in fact, she did more than any of her siblings. She once, in tears ,asked his doctor why he would treat her that way because it hurt her to her core and he said he is old and he’s angry because he is old and he needs to vent and he knows that you will not abandon him . My parents are now older and they are never cruel but when they are feeling negative and down I encourage them to discuss it with me . If for nothing else , they feel heard . My brother and I and a caregiver also work together to keep eyes on them . I don’t believe anyone should do this alone . I send positive vibes your way .
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DeProfundis Aug 25, 2024
This is a good answer.
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My dad lived With us for years and it became so toxic he finally moved into his own apt. Eventually I will have to get home health and I still am over there a lot and take him everywhere but at least I have somewhere peaceful to retreat to. He is angry and unhappy most of the time also. He wants nothing to do with any of his neighbors.. I gave up trying to make him happy. Nothing works. And the guilt I feel is tremendous. Especially for moving him out. He is in good health but is also 92. He didn’t want to spend the $ for Assisted living. He is one accident away from having to move somewhere else. But I don’t see him ever coming back into our house again. I wonder if therapy might help me.
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waytomisery Aug 25, 2024
@Dcoyne .

No guilt . You did nothing wrong .You did not make your father the way he is . No one has to live with that toxicity in their home .
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Hi Lal, here's my experience of a grumpy old man and how we've dealt with him.

One of my step sisters talks to her dad every week on the same day, at the same time, and has done so for years. I thought the routine a little odd at first, but I now realise it stops there being constant calls.

My other step sister, who lives nearer, has started visiting every Sunday afternoon. She gets his meds ready for the week, sorting the morning and evening tablets into each day's labelled pots. I had suggested this before, but he was resistant, so she just did it without asking :D

When either of the sisters has to change the routine, they give notice without apology, but knowing he'll see or talk to them helps their dad manage his worries and his expectations.

My step sisters send WhatsApp messages with their Wordle scores and their dad sends his to all of us every day. I add a thumbs up emoji, but refrain from an actual message, in case it sets off complaints or demands. This way we know he's okay and there is some form of contact.

I was the first point of contact for years, visiting every week and helping with all the errands and more. When Mum's health got much worse last autumn, my stepdad's demands became too much (getting me out in the middle of the night, having to go round every day after work, and walking lots because I don't drive despite having an issue with my joints); I ended up ill and took time off work with stress.
He stopped being able to do the most basic of tasks, like make a cup of tea or phone the doctors. Not because he really couldn't but because he wanted me to do everything for him. I started dreading seeing a message from him.

I had to cut him off early this year and made him spend money on hiring carers. Even while I was bending over backwards to do everything for him, he was still complaining about me and to me, so I thought he may as well complain while I take my life back.
I made sure that he and Mum had care and I have been there when really needed, but not at his beck and call.

What I've been doing more recently is agreeing with him that, yes, everything is bad, but that's life and all you can do is put up with it. Then leave. I've stopped letting his negativity affect me.

Now that my mum has passed, I will still be there when really needed, but my step sister can now take the lead. She doesn't take any nonsense!
I'd advise you to be like her.
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TxPonyGirl Aug 25, 2024
That is what I had to get my 95 year old mother to do which is hire caregivers. She eventually chased some good ones off with her anger, demands, tongue-lashing, and narcissism. I finally told her she needs to hire a nurse that is part of the home healthcare company that can come once a week and help load her meds into her weekly boxes, help check her edema, blood pressure, and keep up with her Doctor’s plan. It is time that a professor deal with someone that fights you every step. Good luck stepping back. I would rather a professional check her weekly, and contact me if there is a concern.
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I'm so sorry to say that we are living similar lives. My 92 year old father moved to an independent living apartment 2 years ago. He has lots of options for joining activities and meeting others but he has refused, choosing to sit in his room watching the same channel all day, and complaining. He does have Alzheimer's and it is noticeably progressing, which is probably why when I sat down eye to eye and told him that he was responsible for getting out and about and on with life, it did not make a bit of difference. I've decided once again to say "No-kay" to that but it's his choice. The constant complaints about physical stuff that he chooses to not pursue treatment options? It's the same conversation. Every. Day. So my strategy has changed because it was driving me batty. When the complaints begin, I no longer offer to take him back to the one doctor that helped him but he refuses to go back to. I just say "Sorry to hear that. What do you plan on doing about it?" The complaints about the same stuff are decreasing (not gone) and the complaints about the food are ramping up, but I can live with that. LOL.
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I've used the same line....'what are YOU going to do about it?". They are counting on you jumping in with solutions that require you to do all the work, not them.
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The aging process once in ones 90s is generally, an overall negative event. THere are lots of things to grieve, and many reasons to be unhappy.

So, its hard to "help him to be happy". The others have commented to you on their experiences over many years.

if there is clear cut depression or other mental illness going on, you can support him to get medical treatment for that. They you can advocate to make sure he is getting enough food, care, and social contact (which can be just getting together with the others in the assisted living, ).

You can see that your tasks end with the items above. It may just not be possible to have him actually be happy. Hopefully with time he will get used to the assisted living and life as it now is. As you mention, you have tried a number of things taking countless hours, and those have not made him more happy, so it just may be at this time that there is no way to make him more happy.
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“ I’m about to give up on my 92 year old Dad”.

I spent 40 plus years trying to make an unhappy negative mother happy . It didn’t work .
Stop trying . At 92 you can’t change him , he’s either got to figure it out on his own , or you have to accept that he will be unhappy .

My MIL is declining and has now been making more and more demands of us as far as entertaining , and more visits the last few years .( We can’t , we live 200 miles away) . The more she declines the more demands and requests . So far she has said she doesn’t want to move in AL near us . She doesn’t want to leave her condo .

But it doesn’t matter , you aren’t the entertainment commitee even if you live close by . It’s how it goes with some elderly . It’s difficult but , you have to set boundaries .
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I am in a similar situation going on four years and understand your feelings well. I came to the conclusion that I was powerless to make my loved one happy or even content. Once I came to accept that, I have slowly shifted from being in the fray with her and desperately trying to solve problems to being more of an observer. My initial response is to ask how I can help and rarely is there an answer. I then tell her I’m sorry for what is happening. She needs me to listen more and empathize many times. My initial response is to problem solve but that does not work well in this situation. I also try to mentally put that part of my life in a box off to the side. I’ve gradually developed a schedule of visiting once a week for several hours instead of daily and having a lengthy conversation once a week for up to an hour. I don’t always answer her call. I encourage her to leave messages and I respond if needed. These changes have helped me cope with a difficult situation. If I had a sibling I would try to find ways to have them share the load if possible. Your father is very fortunate to have you as his daughter. As I understand from nursing staff, there are many people in group care that have contact with no one, ever. Prayer helps me keep going. I wish you the very best.
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Hi there LAL!
Your situation sounds so similar to mine. My Dad was in IL for years but things got really bad with him sleeping all day and messing up his medications. He has lactose intolerance and refused to take lactaid before meals/snacks so bowel incontinence became (and still is) an issue. Finally moved him to AL in February and, although things are a little better he constantly reminds me of how much he hates it there and how terrible the aids are. I have 2 siblings who come down for a few days and take him to dinner, and then leave just as he is winding up for another GI episode. But I will say finding this forum has been a Godsend for me. Sometimes I read others’ stories just to reinforce that I am not alone (and neither are you!) BTW my father is 97. For me the battle I face everyday is the guilt, or FOG (fear, obligation, and guilt). This happens both in and outside of his presence. Take breaks when you need them. Perhaps even depriving him of immediate attention might jar him a bit?

Anyways, best of luck to you!!
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Talk to his doctor to request a depression screening. Otherwise do not put any more effort to entertain him.
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Oh my, I could easily have written this same message except my dad (91 yrs old) lives in my home. Five years ago, I thought the same thing: I could bring a little more joy into his life. But he has actually sucked the joy out of my life. I just retired 2 years ago and I can't travel to see my kids & grandkids or anywhere else because his mobility is so bad that I'm afraid of returning home to find him on the floor. I did a two-week respite care for him at AL last year to prove to him that AL is NOT a nursing home, and they spoiled him to pieces while he was there. He still won't consider a permanent move to AL. Times are becoming more and more frequent that I feel his constant & eternal negativity is affecting my own mental health. I just hope and pray that he will take a fall or become ill enough that he has no choice but to move into another facility. I have researched and attempted getting him some financial assistance with several different options, but he either didn't qualify or wasn't poor enough. He comes from a very long living family and I am afraid that he will live to 99 as many of his relatives did. That's 8-9 more years of taking care of him!!!!!! And all of the advice telling us to sit down and have that serious talk with him sounds good, but he cries and plays the "I'm old and don't know what to do" and "I will die in a place like that (and it will be your fault)". So much easier said than done. My siblings (they are retired too) call him about once per month and he tells them he's doing great, so they think everything is hunky-dory. I've tried to explain to them how difficult this is and would be happy if they would come stay with him for a week to give me a break to get away. Nothing ever gets arranged. I totally understand your situation. I think that I need someone to help ME. Yep, I'm a good daughter for taking him in when he needed it, but that's not much consolation. Thanks anyway.
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PeggySue2020 Aug 25, 2024
All Senior Brats cry and whine to get their way, and they are never happy. Your response should thus be that you ignore him and focus on your siblings. If they don’t take turns with Dad, Dad and any potential inheritance will go to the AL you found until he is penniless enough to go to a Medicaid home. That’s it. Driving you insane is not an option.
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Tell the Nurse he’s getting his meds mixed up, they’ll take it from there.

Tell him you’re going to call him every evening, let the rest go to voice mail, you set the time of the call, ask him what’s new refuse to go over the same old same old - nope what’s new today Dad.

Appointments, ask the docs what’s the minimum visits he can have. They’ll usually be glad to go to every 3 months instead of monthly for stable chronic conditions.

You have to get your sanity back. Hope this helps.
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We each have our own journey in life. It isn’t your job to make someone else happy. It’s theirs. You can show them compassion & caring, but their happiness is up to them.
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Smokeymtn Aug 25, 2024
So well said. Thanks
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Hello,
Im dealing with a similar situation. Recently moved my father to my him with my family in a whole other state. He was living alone and does have Demetia. He had no one to care for him and I was going back and forth monthly to make sure he had everything he needed and to check on him.
Its the same thing everything is about how expensive something is or I’m board but won’t I have in activities.
If you are the only one caring for him you need to set boundaries and limits for yourself. Take a day or two do NOT answer your phone unless absolute emergency. Get a massage, yoga the beach something just for you. It has to be done.
Mine lives with me so I make sure I get at least an hour a week out of the house away from him.
You’re doing a great job. Caring for a parent is not easy!
Hang in there!!
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Your dad needs nurses and aids to care for him. You may need to place your dad in a long-term care facility that offers activities. His medicines will be distributed to him and they have a doctor that visit once a week.
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LAL, have you taken dad to any activities at the facility?

I would encourage you to make or buy some nice, sharable treat and take dad to some activities and share the treats as a meet and greet. Made my dad very popular in his facility and got me off the hook of having to be his every interaction.

Good luck, this is the hardest thing I have ever done, dealing with a parent in a facility. You will get it sorted out.
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waytomisery Aug 25, 2024
I’m glad this worked for you .

My mother would have thrown the treats at me and said she’s not in kindergarten . 🙄🙄.
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I am working on this also. Before I go see my mom (who complains a lot) I remind myself she can feel however she wants. I can’t make her happy no matter what I do. So I have to do what I think is good enough and leave it at that. I have to preserve my own mental health and Happiness. She isn’t helpless. She is the one choosing to complain but do nothing about it. I have also backed WAY off on making suggestions or proposing solutions which 99% of the time she disregards. Not worth it.
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